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by shmit » Fri May 04, 2012 1:07 am
Hey guys, Im working through Cho Chikun's Encyclopaedia of life and death (without the answers) and I cant find the solution to intermediate problem 62 and 71.
Status problems black to play.
$$B Problem 62 $$ ------------------ $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . X X . X . . . . $$ | . O X O X . . O . $$ | . O O , O O . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . .
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B Problem 62 $$ ------------------ $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . X X . X . . . . $$ | . O X O X . . O . $$ | . O O , O O . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . .[/go]And
$$B Problem 71 $$ ------------------ $$ | . . . . . O . . . $$ | X X . X X O . . . $$ | . . X O O O . . . $$ | . O O , . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . .
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B Problem 71 $$ ------------------ $$ | . . . . . O . . . $$ | X X . X X O . . . $$ | . . X O O O . . . $$ | . O O , . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . .[/go]I have spent quite a while on these problem but no matter what I try black always dies. Any ideas?
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by stalkor » Fri May 04, 2012 2:18 am
$$B Problem 71 $$ ------------------ $$ | . 3 2 5 1 O . . . $$ | X X 4 X X O . . . $$ | . . X O O O . . . $$ | . O O , . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . .
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B Problem 71 $$ ------------------ $$ | . 3 2 5 1 O . . . $$ | X X 4 X X O . . . $$ | . . X O O O . . . $$ | . O O , . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . .[/go]$$B Problem 71 $$ ------------------ $$ | . X 8 X X O . . . $$ | X X 6 X X O . . . $$ | . 7 X O O O . . . $$ | . O O , . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . .
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B Problem 71 $$ ------------------ $$ | . X 8 X X O . . . $$ | X X 6 X X O . . . $$ | . 7 X O O O . . . $$ | . O O , . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . .[/go]$$B Problem 71 $$ ------------------ $$ | . X O . . O . . . $$ | X X O 9 . O . . . $$ | . X X O O O . . . $$ | . O O , . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . .
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B Problem 71 $$ ------------------ $$ | . X O . . O . . . $$ | X X O 9 . O . . . $$ | . X X O O O . . . $$ | . O O , . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . .[/go]
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by Dusk Eagle » Fri May 04, 2012 5:50 am
The setup for problem 62 is wrong. Here's the correct setup:
$$B Problem 62 $$ ------------------ $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . X X . X X X O . $$ | . O X O X O O O . $$ | . O O , O . . . . $$ | . . . . O . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . .
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B Problem 62 $$ ------------------ $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . X X . X X X O . $$ | . O X O X O O O . $$ | . O O , O . . . . $$ | . . . . O . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . .[/go]http://tsumego.tasuki.org/cho-2-intermediate.pdf
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by speedchase » Fri May 04, 2012 6:29 am
Dusk eagle, doesn't this work?
$$B Problem 62 $$ ------------------ $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | 2 X X . X . 1 3 . $$ | . O X O X . . O . $$ | . O O , O O . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . .
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B Problem 62 $$ ------------------ $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | 2 X X . X . 1 3 . $$ | . O X O X . . O . $$ | . O O , O O . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . .[/go]
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by shmit » Fri May 04, 2012 7:24 am
Thanks a lot stalkor I missed move
now that I see it I really like the problem. Sorry dusk I mislabled the problem its problem 63.
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by Dusk Eagle » Fri May 04, 2012 7:31 am
Yeah, that appears to be the solution to number 63. I couldn't find it at first, and I just thought it was set up wrong. Gah, my tsumego skills are so out of shape.
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by shmit » Fri May 04, 2012 8:24 am
Hey guys i just cant seem to find the solution after
$$B Problem 62 $$ ------------------ $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . X X . X . 1 . . $$ | . O X O X 2 . O . $$ | . O O , O O . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . .
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B Problem 62 $$ ------------------ $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . X X . X . 1 . . $$ | . O X O X 2 . O . $$ | . O O , O O . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . .[/go]For me the right side always becomes a false eye
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by speedchase » Fri May 04, 2012 8:55 am
$$B Problem $$ ------------------ $$ | . . . a . . . . . $$ | . X X . X 3 1 , . $$ | . O X O X 2 . O . $$ | . O O . O O . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . .
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B Problem $$ ------------------ $$ | . . . a . . . . . $$ | . X X . X 3 1 , . $$ | . O X O X 2 . O . $$ | . O O . O O . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . .[/go]black can live with a, and there really isn't a way for white to get rid of that in sente, so black can probably escape along the bottom, i think...
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by shmit » Fri May 04, 2012 9:13 am
Thanks a lot didnt think of (a) which is bizarre as the problem before this one (which is shown above) is almost exactly the same and I found that answer right before attempting this one.
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by cyclops » Fri May 04, 2012 3:08 pm
speedchase wrote:
$$B Problem $$ ------------------ $$ | . . . a . . . . . $$ | . X X . X 3 1 , . $$ | . O X O X 2 . O . $$ | . O O . O O . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . .
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B Problem $$ ------------------ $$ | . . . a . . . . . $$ | . X X . X 3 1 , . $$ | . O X O X 2 . O . $$ | . O O . O O . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . .[/go]black can live with a, and there really isn't a way for white to get rid of that in sente, so black can probably escape along the bottom, i think...
Some continuation:
$$Wc $$ +----------------------- $$ | . . . 2 . . . . . . . $$ | 8 X X 1 X B X 4 6 . . $$ | . O X O X O a O 5 7 . $$ | . O O 3 O O . . . , . $$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc $$ +----------------------- $$ | . . . 2 . . . . . . . $$ | 8 X X 1 X B X 4 6 . . $$ | . O X O X O a O 5 7 . $$ | . O O 3 O O . . . , . $$ | . . . . . . . . . . .[/go]At 7 w cannot hane because of his weakness at a. So 7 & 8 are black's miai for life or escape, I think...
Any local solution?