First instinct (even an idiot...) was o3 but m2 also means white l3 no longer cuts the black groups which seems to be worth a lot more than the downsides of not playing o3 (1 point less, doesn't take a liberty from o4, white p4 becomes sente but it's not a very useful move).
Re: Shape problems
Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:43 am
by lightvector
Like Uberdude, my first feeling was O3 and then M2 for connecting black's groups. But if M2, and later white's center group gets strong enough, I wonder if is there any lingering aji from something like this?
my first idea was to try an attack from behind resp. within with o7, perhaps o6
and thus could well be that I earn an ashaming defeat, as so often :-! And no, I didn’t play it out.
Re: Shape problems
Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:57 am
by illluck
I can't make up my mind between M2 and N2 XD Both seem to work? I guess M2 leaves a bit less aji on the left side.
Re: Shape problems
Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:57 am
by Uberdude
@lightvector:
Nice idea to look at that aji in the corner, but I think those possibilities are unlikely to arise as white's weak centre group might play forcing moves on the outside around q4/r5 in order to cut off black's r9 stones. And if white doesn't play around there black may well s7 or something pretty soon anyway.
Re: Shape problems
Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:36 pm
by The Pilgrim
Without too much thinking I would play N2 With thinking... I'll think about it tomorrow
Re: Shape problems
Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:15 pm
by Ellyster
I would say M4... and connect while attack, but I haven't think it harder
Re: Shape problems
Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:50 pm
by cyclops
q5 why?
Re: Shape problems
Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:16 pm
by Uberdude
@illluck:
I don't see any way in which n2 is better than m2, only worse. If there are only cons, and no pros, why is it a hard choice? Or do I miss a pro?
Re: Shape problems
Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:28 pm
by illluck
@Uber:
I didn't realize that aji until I almost finished posting, and didn't bother to change what I wrote before XD
Re: Shape problems
Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:44 pm
by Toge
(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[0.00] PW[Valkea]PB[Musta]CR[np]AW[dc][rd][de][ge][qf][ci][qi][ll][hm][pm][dn][ln][oo][dp][jp][kp][np][eq]AB[gc][jc][qc][nd][pd][jj][ok][qk][jl][jn][ho][qp][fq][iq][jq][mq][oq][fr]C[Starting position. I think black has to answer this peep, as white cutting at O3 would give him easy way to settle his stones.] (;B[nq]C[Solid connection is the proverb "even a fool connects against peep". However I think there's a better move which preserves continuity of black's K3 stones. Here white could play L3]) (;B[lr]C[This move simultaneously protects against the cut at O3 and L3. I would play this in my game.]) (;B[lq]C[There's also this move to consider, being more aggressive against white's stones. Weakness is that once white plays L3 and O3 in sente, the cut at P2 becomes problematic.]))
Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:20 am
by EdLee
Bonobo,
Bonobo wrote:I didn’t play it out.
If this shape is not immediately obvious to you, then the first thing for you to study is to read what happens if W pushes at o3. This is the start of the whole discussion. If later, you can find some nice counter-attack for B, great. But first, what happens if B tenuki and W pushes at o3? Did you even think about this?
Re: Shape problems
Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:36 am
by Bonobo
Thanks, Ed, this again shows that I have a loooong way to go.
My reflexes/instincts/intuition is far from being well-trained, so I’ll keep on following my self-prescription of “play & read & tsumego”, and guess I should stay out of such threads (i.e. not post) unless I’ve at least played around a bit w/ the constellation in question.
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protects against the push and cut and connects to the Black stones on the left.