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Orthodox fuseki question
Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:51 am
by otenki
Hi guys,
I've attached a sgf with a bunch of variations for orthodox.
In the variation "R10 R8 R14 R12":
Is the move Q12 a bad move ? and what would be the best reply ?
I keep getting this move against me when playing like this and I did not find a good way to reply.
Thanks!,
Otenki
Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:04 am
by EdLee
First, what is
your idea behind B R12 ?
otenki wrote:I've attached a sgf with a bunch of variations for orthodox.
Kind of an understatement.
One idea: see the variation W R10 B R8 W R14 B R12 W S12 B O17 Q12.
Re: Orthodox fuseki question
Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:39 am
by jts
Curiosity; are these variations you found in some source, or your own ideas, or?
Re: Orthodox fuseki question
Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:51 am
by Solomon
I don't think it's good. You give Black influence and all you get is to connect underneath for meager territory. This is only something you'd consider in a bad situation. The variation suggested by EdLee only applies if W plays S12 first, not Q12.
Re: Orthodox fuseki question
Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:23 am
by otenki
I think my question is more like generaly what do i do when someone attaches on the top (i know what to do at the bottom to my invasion into the 3 space extension.
Can i simply hane up and try to build influence this way ? But then white can cut.
What I want is influence towards center (and continue build my moyo/framework) and to keep white low, not sure how i could do this.
Oh and the source is:
http://www.fortmyersgo.org/2010/03/25/t ... ox-fuseki/
Re: Orthodox fuseki question
Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:19 am
by Dusk Eagle
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This result is also bad for white. The
stone is badly damaged by black's three stones.
Re: Orthodox fuseki question
Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:17 am
by otenki
This is exactly what I was looking for, I understand in which direction I should be going with this now.
I'll try a few more variations on a board by myself and then go ahead and try it out in my games.
Thanks a lot !,
(genki) Otenki