I'll use your games as examples of my line of thought. (I'm playing several DGS games where I'm trying to find situations to use leaning that I'll post as they finish)
$$Wc Ignoring the lean
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X X X X . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O O . . X . . X X O O O . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . O , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X |
$$ | . O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . O O X X X O . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X O . . . . . . . c d . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . . 1 . . . a b O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O O X X , . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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[go]$$Wc Ignoring the lean
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X X X X . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O O . . X . . X X O O O . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . O , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X |
$$ | . O X X O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . O O X X X O . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X O . . . . . . . c d . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . . 1 . . . a b O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O O X X , . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
A: I don't usually think of leaning with a cap, I'll try from now on. However, the follow up at D is quite hard to read for me.
B: I usually think about this one. I don't usually play it because after b plays at C I have to defend at A and I give up sente.
C: I read this as C, B, A, ... sente lost.
Where is my mistake? (it's not the point, but I think I'd have played j9, planning to put stones between the two w groups next.
$$B Lean then kill?
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . X . , O . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 5 3 . X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . 6 2 1 . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O 4 . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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[go]$$B Lean then kill?
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . X . , O . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 5 3 . X . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . . 6 2 1 . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O 4 . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
In my mind I may have predicted this.
However, my reaction to that reading would be "If I give him this much, I'm pretty much forced to kill."
I think that's the essence of my problem. I don't lean because I imagine as the two possible futures:
1 - He tenukis and escapes while I get just a little benefit from the lean.
2 - He gets cash off my lean and then I fail to kill.
I have one example game of mine:
Just two points of interest:
- After move 71 I was looking for places to lean on.
- On 76 I do something like kind of a lean and my opponent does respond. However, I now think it was too far away and the entire attack failed not much later.
(;FF[4]GM[1]AP[DGS:1.0.15]PC[Dragon Go Server:
http://www.dragongoserver.net/]DT[2012-07-03,2012-09-05]GN[Alguien-olek-743920-20120905]SO[http://www.dragongoserver.net/game.php?gid=743920]PB[Aleksander Siatecki (olek)]PW[Alguien (Alguien)]BR[8k]WR[5k]XM[270]GC[Game ID: 743920
Game Type: GO (1:1)
Rated: Y
White Start Rating: 7k (+22%) - ELO 1422
Black Start Rating: 7k (-21%) - ELO 1379
White End Rating: 5k (+32%) - ELO 1631
Black End Rating: 8k (-11%) - ELO 1288]OT[30 days with 1 day extra per move]RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.5]RE[W+49.5];B[oc];W[dp];B[qp];W[dc];B[ce];W[ed];B[dg];W[jc];B[fq];W[cn]
;B[jp];W[qd];B[qh];W[pc];B[od];W[qf];B[ld];W[je];B[og];W[ci]
;B[cc];W[cb];B[dd];W[bc];B[ec];W[cd];B[de];W[be];B[fd];W[op]
;B[pn];W[qq];B[rq];W[pq];B[rr];W[lq];B[dr];W[cq];B[cr];W[nm]
;B[nn];W[ee];B[ef];W[fe];B[ge];W[ff];B[fg];W[gf];B[hf];W[gg]
;B[jd];W[id];B[kd];W[gd];B[hd];W[he];B[ic];W[hc];B[ib];W[jb]
;B[kb];W[hb];B[kq];W[lp];B[np];W[nq];B[om];W[cg];B[dh];W[ch]
;B[fh];W[fj];B[gi];W[ih];B[hj];W[hp];B[hq];W[gl];B[ej];W[fi]
;B[ei];W[fk];B[gh];W[dk];B[jj];W[lj];B[il];W[lm];B[ln];W[kn]
;B[mm];W[hn];B[km];W[lh];B[ll];W[ii];B[ij];W[qo];B[po];W[ph]
;B[pg];W[rh];B[qi];W[ri];B[rj];W[qj];B[rk];W[qm];B[qn];W[qk]
;B[rl];W[ql];B[rm];W[qg];B[pi];W[oj];B[oi];W[nk];B[mi];W[mj]
;B[li];W[ki];B[mh];W[kj];B[kh];W[lg];B[kg];W[kf];B[lf];W[jg]
;B[mg];W[ji];B[if];W[hg];B[fo];W[kr];B[jr];W[kp];B[jq];W[jo]
;B[hm];W[gp];B[gq];W[fp];B[ep];W[eo];B[eq];W[en];B[ip];W[io]
;B[gm];W[fn];B[fm];W[el];B[cj];W[dj];B[cl];W[em];B[ck];W[bn]
;B[ek];W[fl];B[di];W[dl];B[df];W[cf];B[db];W[cc];B[os];W[or]
;B[ns];W[ps];B[qs];W[pr];B[ks];W[ms];B[mr];W[nr];B[lr];W[pp]
;B[ro];W[br];B[rc];W[ob];B[nb];W[pb];B[re];W[qe];B[pd];W[qc]
;B[rf];W[rg];B[ol];W[ok];B[ns];W[no];B[mp];W[mq];B[mo];W[oe]
;B[pe];W[pf];B[of];W[nc];B[nd];W[mc];B[mb];W[ia];B[lb];W[gn]
;B[rd];W[rb];B[jn];W[ko];B[in];W[hk];B[bs];W[ar];B[si];W[na]
;B[ma];W[oa];B[kk];W[ke];B[le];W[gj];B[hi];W[hl];B[im];W[nl]
;B[hh];W[oo];B[on];W[sh];B[sj];W[pj];B[qa];W[sb];B[sc];W[sf]
;B[cs];W[ik];B[jk];W[ni];B[oh];W[lo];B[mn];W[os];B[bp];W[bq]
;B[do];W[cp];B[jh];W[ig];B[ka];W[kc];B[lc];W[nh];B[ng];W[nj]
;B[qr];W[pl];B[dq];W[co];B[ls];W[ns];B[];W[]
;B[]TB[kl][kr][js][jm][jl][la][lg][mf][ne][me][lm][lh][is][ir][er][eh]
[es][fr][fs][eg][gr][hs][iq][hr][gs][ds][nf][md][sk][sn][so][sp]
[sm][oe][mc][sl][nc][sq][rs][ph][sr][qo][ss][rp][rn]TW[gc][go][gk][ha][ge][ib][qb][ra][pk][gb][pa][sa][sd][oq][ho][ic]
[sg][se][hd][fa][ad][ae][ac][ab][aa][af][ag][ak][al][aj][ai][ah]
[sc][rc][do][cl][db][fo][fd][ck][cj][re][rd][rf][qa][bp][am][an]
[cm][da][ca][bo][bm][dm][dn][fb][fc][ec][eb][ea][bl][bk][ba][bb]
[aq][ap][ao][bd][bf][bj][bi][bh][bg][ga]C[White: 59 territories + 2*15 dead stones(B) + 8 prisoners + 6.5 komi = 103.5
Black: 42 territories + 2*3 dead stones(W) + 6 prisoners = 54
Result: W+49.5])