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3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:40 pm
by Phelan
This game was being played on GD.
Here is the latest position, in case the players decide to continue it here.
(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:29 am
by daniel_the_smith
I plan on making a move here at some point.
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:51 am
by Joaz Banbeck
I wouldn't recommend playing too much for the next 12 hours.
As you can see in
this thread , there is going to be some shuffling going on. I plan to do it tonight after everyone has a chance to comment. If I screw up, your new game will disappear. If you do play, KEEP BACKUPS.
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:59 am
by daniel_the_smith
OK, hope everyone is here.
$$Bcm33 Move 33
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm33 Move 33
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:22 am
by Magicwand
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:34 am
by topazg
EDIT: Hahaha, oops, it's my move
$$Wcm34 Move 34
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm34 Move 34
I think White can only play this way:
$$Wcm34 Move 34-39
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm34 Move 34-39Where 40 is supposed to go I haven't the faintest idea - I wish magicwand hadn't double-haned, this is way too messy
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:17 pm
by daniel_the_smith
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:52 pm
by Magicwand
nothing goes as i expected or hoped.
why can he not just connect??? although it looks fancy to do what topagz did but losing that one stone will make black stronger !!
i see them covering the weakness and i literally feel them getting stronger with my skin.
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:59 pm
by Jordus
$$Bcm35 Move 35 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm35 Move 35 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:08 pm
by topazg
This is why I didn't like the connection, for those that were wondering:
$$Wcm34 Move 34-37
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm34 Move 34-37Neither this, nor 37@36 + 36@37, look even slightly attractive. All that's happened is White's unsettled his own dragon, and left Black cut up but strong enough everywhere to handle.
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:52 pm
by Dusk Eagle
For topazg (everyone else can read as soon as topazg makes his previous post available to read):
The chance of this sequence occuring is gone, so I have no qualms with asking you this.
My own feeling is that you don't like the diagram you showed above due to move 36, which is basically a stillborn stone (i.e. dead as soon as it is placed on the board) and it weakens your other cutting stone. Did you consider 'a' or 'b' below as alternatives if black played B35?
$$Wcm34 Move 36 alternatives
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm34 Move 36 alternativesEdit: Here's the game as it was on GoDiscussions to this point. To observers - it's definitely worth reading through all the hidden comments to see how one player's plans interacts with another's.
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:59 pm
by topazg
Response to dusk eagle:
I considered "a", but I figured Black could fix his problems pretty easy:
$$Wcm34 Move 36 alternatives
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm34 Move 36 alternativesI figure the last thing White wants right now is to have to run around with his big eyeless dragon flailing madly, and I can't see much counter-pressure being put on Black's group just yet. "a" is possible, but maybe Black can play "6" more aggressively, either at "a" himself, or even at "b".
"b" I considered, but not in any great depth:
$$Wcm34 Move 36 alternatives
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm34 Move 36 alternativesThere's this I suppose, but White's crippling his bottom at the expense of trying to save that group. I think saving that group is sooo important. White wanted to attack Black's middle group, and the sacrifice I played doesn't allow that really, but it's too late. Any chances of attacking it went in my opinion when the double hane happened.
$$Wcm34 Move 36 alternatives
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm34 Move 36 alternativesI might play 40 here, thinking about it, which makes a rather fun miai of "a" and "b". All in all, I think forcing Black to trot around the outside and capture a single stone is well worth it to get White solidly settled - especially in a position where attacking the right edge isn't unfeasible.
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:32 pm
by Phelan
$$Wcm36 Move 36 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm36 Move 36 Prisoners White 0 Black 1
I don't really have much choice...It's either play this or White gets cut to pieces... I still wonder what magicwand wanted to do with this sequence.
$$Wcm35 Alternative 1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm35 Alternative 1I could try playing this ko, White could still connect if we won, but I don't think we're in a good position to fight something as big as this now. Especially since black gets more out of winning the ko than we do.
I don't see any other good moves, really.
The way I see the game going now is this:
$$Wcm35 Move 36 followup
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm35 Move 36 followupAnd I don't like it.
White still isn't connected, and can only make one eye in gote. And in the meantime, black is getting thicker in the center, which means it won't be easy to attack it or force it somehow.
Oh well.
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:54 pm
by daniel_the_smith
Re: 3v3 Malkovitch Rengo #1
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:57 pm
by Magicwand
i am trying to figureout why he played as he did... was he scared of 1?
$$c
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c another variation.
$$c
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c for observers 1 is an overplay that mid dan level players use against kyu player. for you to get stronger you must first distinguish if what your opponent plays is an overplay or not.
then you find the move that will overcome that play by reading skills.
so
1) feeling that the move is an overplay.
2) reading skills that will show that is an overplay
edit also point: 'a' is very tempting aji that i dont wanna lose
that is why i feel we lost whole lot of point by giving up that one stone.
