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#188 Otenki vs DeFlow
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:18 am
by otenki
Japanese rules, 0.5 point komi, Otenki takes black with no handicap.
Have a good game !
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:07 am
by EdLee
Re: #188 Otenki vs DeFlow
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:10 am
by Boidhre
Have fun!
Re: #188 Otenki vs DeFlow
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:13 am
by DeFlow
Enjoy the game Otenki! And I hope some observers will join in to comment on our vulgar and abysymal play.
By the way, we've agreed on playing closed book, so if you are here to spot noseki in their natural habitat, you are surely in the right place.
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About my strategy About my move
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:26 am
by EdLee
DeFlow wrote: ...to spot noseki...
Thanks, DeFlow -- nosekis are great learning opportunities.
Re: #188 Otenki vs DeFlow
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:27 am
by otenki
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I know this guy is a fighter so he'll probably want to play taisha.
I have studied it for a bit so i'll probably get out of it well if he plays it.
The reason why I put it on the top left instead of bottom right is because I don't want facing komuku's for white. When i'm white I usualy go for that opening if my oponents allows it. The reason being is that black probably is going to have to aproach either one of them and then you would get to pincer him and build nice framework on the other side.
Next I'm thinking about R10 after he takes another corner. The reason for this is multiple. It works toghether with taisha as a ladder breaker for the complexer variation and develops the right side a bit
Most probably this will all turn out totaly different than I imagine it to be as usual but lets see what white does
Re: #188 Otenki vs DeFlow
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:03 am
by DeFlow
I'm at home today, so that's why I'm reacting so fast. ^^
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Okay, so I am uncomfortable with this game already. I've not played against the 3-5 point much, but I know it is influence based. I feel like his 3-5 point is a test. Very nice move. My playing the last corner will show him I am not willing to risk complication this early in the game.
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners:A: Firstly, if he responds by taking the open corner, we just have a transposition (same position with different order of moves) of my B move where he approaches my lower left komoku. I would be comfortable with this game, his 'low approach' to my komoku would be sub-optimal (IMHO) with his hoshi.
What I am afraid of is either being pressed low (4 @ D15) or a strange fight in the upper left corner (for example with the taisha, although I don't even know the next move for black if he wants to play this). I could tenuki and play in the lower right, but then his high-approach to my lower left stone would give him good influence (Two vs one in upper left, hoshi upper right, high-approach to lower left).
I don't think my opponent will play in the lower right corner though, so I am not in favor of A.
B & C: B & C are the calm responses. If he encloses top right, I think his direction is sub-optimal. If he approaches my lower-left, we'll have an interesting game. I'm still not sure about how to handle the top left.
I like C over B because I am planning to pincer his approach to my lower-left. I will not just give him this moyo he wants on the left side. If I pincer, the hoshi stone feels more balanced.
Re: #188 Otenki vs DeFlow
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:57 am
by otenki
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I'm not entirely sure about this move but I think this should be ok.
I made a plan and guess I should stick to it.
If he makes an enclosure at the bottom I'll just take the left side which feels to me as if i'm expanding more quickly. If he does then i'll maybe probe it at 2-4 to see what he wants and potentialy expand the left side.
My guess howhever is that he will take the left side instead or aproach the 3-5 stone.
Lets see what kind of nifty stuff he comes up with!
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Re: #188 Otenki vs DeFlow
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:58 am
by DeFlow
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Re: #188 Otenki vs DeFlow
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:16 pm
by otenki
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So I thought about this for quite some time. I initialy thought of splitting white at the bottom.
Or making an extension at the top left. I guess both of these are very normal options.
I thought about what I'm trying to acomplish here.
Building a framework where I'm always getting profit from the one trying to enter it!
I'm not saying I will be chasing groups or anything like you would do for example when you would try to enter chinese on the wrong side.
But just something loose, fast and flexible.
I do realise that white currently has more points in theory so lets hope my fast stones will acomplish something soon.
Hope this makes sense
Please correct me if what i'm writing is utter nonesence
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Re: #188 Otenki vs DeFlow
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:32 pm
by DeFlow
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Re: #188 Otenki vs DeFlow
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:47 pm
by otenki
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Ok so this is kindoff what I was hopeing/anticipating.
So white has dropped a stone on top that has no base yet.
I'll make use of this to expand my framwork.
I hope to get something like this:
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My guess is that he will win it and I will get influence.
Lets see...
Re: #188 Otenki vs DeFlow
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:56 pm
by DeFlow
Wow you're also playing fast, Otenki. =O
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Re: #188 Otenki vs DeFlow
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:13 pm
by otenki
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Re: #188 Otenki vs DeFlow
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:39 pm
by DeFlow
Uh, oh, agression is going to start. NOW!
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Strategy I think this move is unreasonable. He has not yet even enclosed his corner and already tries to pressure my group. The thought is of course to surround my group, but without any stability for his corner yet.
When I see a move that leaves weakness behind, most of the time I keep on playing big points and exploit the weakness when it has become most advantageous, but here my shape is compromised and if I tenuki he will attack me severely. So there are two options: A) Defence: Defend my base or move out into the center. B) Attack: Attack the weaknesses he left and settle myself that way. Because his weakness is staring in my face I will choose to unsheath my sword and thrust. Hopefully I can do some twisting in the wound too!
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