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#193 TIM82 vs EdLee
Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:31 am
by TIM82
Even game, nigiri, Japanese rules, 6.5 komi, open book.
I'm 1k EGF, 2k-1d on servers. I have no Malkovich or turn-based go experience, let's see how this goes.
I nigiri:
A little bio/introduction, also for EdLee
Living in Finland. I started playing somewhere around 2004, got to around 6k by 2008. This was achieved mostly by playing and browsing sometimes random books / SL. No reviews of own games, lectures or systemically study that I can remember. About only fuseki I played then was
http://senseis.xmp.net/?KobayashiFuseki , picked up from there.
Had a break from go 2008-2010 (excluding random late-night KGS games with beer for fun). In 2011 moved to new city, and started shortly thereafter visiting local go club about weekly. Random KGS games seemed to have pushed me to 4 kyu at that point. Deciced to play better, so read books, did tsumego systematically, drank more beer, now 1k.
Please crush me mightily, EdLee!
Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:04 am
by EdLee
I'll take Black. Good game, Tim.
The beer-1k connection is interesting.
TIM82 wrote: I have no Malkovich or turn-based go experience
The only warning is Don't use the
Quote button on any posts in this thread (to play your next move) other than your own,
because you might inadvertently reveal hidden texts unintended for you!
Quote your own posts.
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Mostly, I'm just trying not to trip over myself
too much .
Re:
Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:35 am
by TIM82
EdLee wrote: The beer-1k connection is interesting.
Local club meets at a pub. Although the many good beatings given there by stronger players to me probably contributed too to my improvement, I think both me and those guys are enticed to participate partly by the beer too. So as no beer -> less games, it follows that beer -> improvement. Not a bad situation to be, IMHO.
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:57 am
by EdLee
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:29 am
by TIM82
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Ok, chinese in the horizon. If B completes that, I'll extend on the bottom, limiting the framework. If B approaches
I'll approach
(considering it kind-of-miai) and we'll see what comes up next.
Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:05 pm
by EdLee
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Re:
Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:02 pm
by TIM82
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Bottom side is most important in my opinion. Considered A below and
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because it feels more active: I expect Black to split left side or appoarch top left. In either case I get the initiative to pincer that stone and try to get moves shoring up my corners/side. After A below Black would have the initiative.
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:09 pm
by EdLee
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:48 am
by TIM82
Surprisingly strong reflex to open all hide comments - have managed to avoid that though. Apparently I have followed too many Malkoviches.
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As planned. Various continuation ideas, currently most happy with following:
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Another thing I considered:
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$BUsing sente to approach at A or enclose at B. Sadly I think black would just ladder my stone by varying 7 to 8, not as happy with that. The basic joseki (6 at 8) instead of this variation is too slow here IMHO, giving black sente.
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:39 am
by EdLee
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For beginners. Nothing fancy. A basic
Joseki .
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:55 am
by TIM82
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Oh, that way?
Below reverts back to about what I was planning earlier.
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm10I can accept below play too. I think this is what Ed is after perhaps? joseki would continue A, B, but I think Ed might ignore A, and thus I will probably play into lower left quadrant myself instead of A. Will have to think about that though.
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:08 am
by EdLee
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Re: Re:
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:26 am
by TIM82
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So this?
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:50 am
by EdLee
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For beginners. Very tempted to play the following variation (never tried it before),
but decided against it because I don't feel like having a
Weak Group so early in the game:
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:59 am
by TIM82
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BTW. Just noticed Kogo proposes following. I dont like that here - in the game my group is stronger, so I can fight elsewhere (right) more easily.
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The beer-1k connection is interesting. 
I'll approach 
(considering it kind-of-miai) and we'll see what comes up next.
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