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Joseki priorities
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:13 am
by Alguien
What would be your next move and why?
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:22 am
by EdLee
Alguien,
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Re: Joseki priorities
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:26 am
by Uberdude
Pick up skull fragments from the floor.
Re: Joseki priorities
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:54 am
by skydyr
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My first feeling is here, because the double approach to the 4-4 stone in the top right or bottom right would be more severe than a joseki stemming from the left side, and the 3 space pincer balances between both corners well while supporting them. It's also loose enough that it shouldn't be too strongly attacked in the inevitable whole board fight.
Re: Joseki priorities
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:04 am
by Koroviev
Duh.
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Re: Joseki priorities
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:57 am
by logan
I would be fine with many different moves after this, because there are many playable moves.
Re: Joseki priorities
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:02 am
by Bill Spight
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Re: Joseki priorities
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:57 am
by skydyr
Bill, why low instead of high? I liked high because I thought the game would develop into large scale fighting.
Re: Joseki priorities
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:11 pm
by Bill Spight
skydyr wrote: Bill, why low instead of high? I liked high because I thought the game would develop into large scale fighting.
Try high with a double kakari. It is too easy for White to aim underneath the pincer to make sabaki, IMO.
Re: Joseki priorities
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:50 pm
by cyclops
skydyr wrote: Bill, why low instead of high? I liked high because I thought the game would develop into large scale fighting.
If you are interested in such questions I recommend "501 opening problems" by Bozulich and van Zeijst.
problem 62:
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But OC asking Bill is as well
Re: Joseki priorities
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:42 pm
by Phelan
Alguien wrote: What would be your next move and why?
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I think I would
play on the lower left. Seems the most urgent corner to me.
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Re: Joseki priorities
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:46 pm
by Phelan
Of course, reading through the thread now,it seems that my response is not the best overall, because it doesn't answer the general board situation.
Re: Joseki priorities
Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 7:06 am
by skydyr
Phelan wrote: Of course, reading through the thread now,it seems that my response is not the best overall, because it doesn't answer the general board situation.
The thing about the left side is that locally, if white gets another move there, they just turn into standard 5-3 or 5-4 joseki, where black can expect to get more than in a tenuki joseki.
combines extension and pincer. It is harder to develop from the 3-4 points, and this play utilizes both 4-4 stones.
at a would be lukewarm because w could settle his stones by sliding to b.