Life In 19x19

1st game,

Shin Jinseo(1p) defeated Lee Changho(9p) by resign.

Shin Jinseo;


He was born in March 2000 and became 1p last year through Young talent pro selection.

In the round for young talent, he defeated Shin Minjoon(1999) and Byun Sangil(1997).

Reminds me of kghin on KGS only stronger

I'm glad I'm not the only one who gets beaten by a 12 year old. Nice to know I'm in such good company It must be weird though to have once been the strongest player in the world and to be forced to resign against a kid.

Just this morning, I was looking at pics of Lee in this thread, and wondering what exactly is the edge that a player loses when they move past their peak. Do they stop keeping up with the latest research? Do they feel that they have nothing left to prove? Does their reading deteriorate?

Does anyone know why Lee lost this game?

daal wrote:I'm glad I'm not the only one who gets beaten by a 12 year old. Nice to know I'm in such good company It must be weird though to have once been the strongest player in the world and to be forced to resign against a kid.

Just this morning, I was looking at pics of Lee in this thread, and wondering what exactly is the edge that a player loses when they move past their peak. Do they stop keeping up with the latest research? Do they feel that they have nothing left to prove? Does their reading deteriorate?

Does anyone know why Lee lost this game?

IMO this kid is much stronger than players who played against Lee chang ho during his prime.
Lee did lose some but more has to do with competition becoming stronger.
if Shin JS was playing 20 years ago..he would not lose many games against weak professionals who were the majority at that time.

Kifu?

Magicwand wrote:

daal wrote:I'm glad I'm not the only one who gets beaten by a 12 year old. Nice to know I'm in such good company It must be weird though to have once been the strongest player in the world and to be forced to resign against a kid.

Just this morning, I was looking at pics of Lee in this thread, and wondering what exactly is the edge that a player loses when they move past their peak. Do they stop keeping up with the latest research? Do they feel that they have nothing left to prove? Does their reading deteriorate?

Does anyone know why Lee lost this game?

IMO this kid is much stronger than players who played against Lee chang ho during his prime.
Lee did lose some but more has to do with competition becoming stronger.
if Shin JS was playing 20 years ago..he would not lose many games against weak professionals who were the majority at that time.

Same goes for the other way around: Maybe Lee Changho would wipe the floor with 9p players now if he was born in 2000.

Uberdude wrote:Kifu?

p2501 wrote:

Magicwand wrote:

daal wrote:I'm glad I'm not the only one who gets beaten by a 12 year old. Nice to know I'm in such good company It must be weird though to have once been the strongest player in the world and to be forced to resign against a kid.

Just this morning, I was looking at pics of Lee in this thread, and wondering what exactly is the edge that a player loses when they move past their peak. Do they stop keeping up with the latest research? Do they feel that they have nothing left to prove? Does their reading deteriorate?

Does anyone know why Lee lost this game?

IMO this kid is much stronger than players who played against Lee chang ho during his prime.
Lee did lose some but more has to do with competition becoming stronger.
if Shin JS was playing 20 years ago..he would not lose many games against weak professionals who were the majority at that time.

Same goes for the other way around: Maybe Lee Changho would wipe the floor with 9p players now if he was born in 2000.

Or who knows, perhaps if Lee Changho were born in 2000, Shin Jinseo would not be as strong...but it's all just a fun thought exercise. The one thing we do know is that the newer generations will always have a taller giant's shoulders to stand on.

Thats a beautiful game actually. Thanks for sharing!

p2501 wrote:Thats a beautiful game actually. Thanks for sharing!

You're welcome.

p2501 wrote:Same goes for the other way around: Maybe Lee Changho would wipe the floor with 9p players now if he was born in 2000.

i highly doubt that.
players now are much stronger than before and that is the facts.

Players are much stronger now.

Nonetheless, I suspect Lee Changho would be top two in the world if he were still young. Less dominant now than he was then, but the only player who could rival him is Lee Sedol. Maybe some of the young guns now (Park Junghwan especially) will prove themselves in the same class over the long haul, but only time will tell about that.

Magicwand wrote:

p2501 wrote:Same goes for the other way around: Maybe Lee Changho would wipe the floor with 9p players now if he was born in 2000.

i highly doubt that.
players now are much stronger than before and that is the facts.

Why do you suppose this is? Can they read better, or is it that they have their predecessors such as Lee to learn from?

2nd game Choi Chulhan vs Shin Minjoon(1p 1999) 1/12 1pm(Korea)
3rd game Lee Sedol vs Byun Sangil(2p 1997) 1/13 1pm(Korea)

You can watch this game at Wbaduk or Tygem.

The time setting is 1 hour each and 1 x 60sec overtime.