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beginner help needed with opening moves
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 12:58 pm
by MattMiller
could anyone point out the mistakes for both sides? the best help might be to show the first move thats absolutely horrible, like a dropped piece in chess. unless of course its reasonable for both sides to this point.
http://files.gokgs.com/games/2013/1/13/Ethelor-MattMiller.sgf
Re: beginner help needed with opening moves
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:31 pm
by badukJr
I wouldn't say its like a dropped piece, but R7 is way too far away from white's other stone and too close to black's strength. The fact that another move must be spent there for it to make any sense is kind of like a pass.
Also, you guys are both too shy in the beginning

Re: beginner help needed with opening moves
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:39 pm
by Bill Spight
A few comments.
(;AP[GOWrite:2.2.21]GM[1]ST[2]FF[4]SZ[19]CA[UTF-8]KM[0.5]WR[22k]GN[ ]TM[600.0]RU[Japanese]BR[23k]DT[2013-01-13]PW[Ethelor]PB[MattMiller]PC[The KGS Go Server at http\://www.gokgs.com/]FG[259:]PM[0]OT[5x20 byo-yomi]RE[B+Resign]
;B[dp]BL[594.419]
;WL[596.382]W[pd]
;B[pq]BL[590.153]
;WL[589.475]W[dd]
;B[qo]BL[573.577]
;WL[572.058]W[cf]
;B[jp]BL[570.101]
;WL[565.59]W[jc]
;B[qf]BL[565.276]
;WL[558.424]W[qh]
;B[qc]BL[559.419]
;WL[547.847]W[pc]
;B[qd]BL[554.29]
(
;C[*** See variation.]WL[533.55]W[qm]
;C[*** Very good!]B[pe]BL[505.535]
;WL[510.581]W[nd]
;C[*** Also very good. Prevents a White play here.]B[oe]BL[475.024]
(
;C[*** Bad shape. Empty triangle. See variation.]WL[505.55]W[od]
(
;C[*** See variation.]B[dj]BL[459.513]
;WL[476.789]W[qk]
;C[*** Not good. Black is already strong here.]B[og]BL[449.066]
(
;C[*** Small. See variation.]WL[466.535]W[ch]
;B[ci]BL[432.327]
(
;C[*** See variation.]WL[463.064]W[bi]
;B[bj]BL[428.685]
(
;C[*** Not bad, just looking at these six stones, but small, because of the White strength in the corner. See variation.]WL[453.314]W[bh]
;C[*** Good.]B[dh]BL[419.305]
(
;C[*** Lets Black in. See variation.]WL[436.849]W[gd]
(
;C[*** Not good. Black is strong here, and Black pushes White from behind. See variation.]B[ne]BL[380.355]
(
;C[*** Tactically problematic. See variation and variation for next.]WL[429.205]W[ld]
(
;C[*** End of comments.]B[on]BL[361.049]
;WL[379.439]W[fg]
;B[eh]BL[327.626]
;WL[361.024]W[eg]
;B[dg]BL[324.223]
;WL[353.556]W[df]
;B[cg]BL[317.923]
;WL[351.168]W[bg]
;C[MattMiller \[23k\]\: why resign?
]B[ok]BL[249.223]
)
(
;C[*** Black may not play here right now, but watch.]B[me]
;C[*** Natural reply, but . . .]W[le]
;B[md]
;W[mc]
;B[pb]
;W[ob]
;B[nc]
;W[oc]
;C[*** Oops!]B[nb]
)
)
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;C[*** Thank you, sir. ]W[md]
)
)
(
;C[*** Bigger than it looks. Strengthens Black, weakens White. Play on the frontier.]B[dg]
)
)
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;W[dg]
)
)
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;W[di]
;B[cj]
;C[*** Extends along the frontier.]W[ei]
)
)
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;C[*** A bit unusual, but White expands his framework on the frontier.]W[eh]
)
)
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;C[*** One possibility. Combines invasion, corner approach, pincer.]W[dm]
)
)
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;C[*** Use strength to attack.]B[qk]
)
)
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;W[mc]
)
)
(
;C[*** Prevents Black from making a strong shape by playing here.]W[pe]
;B[rf]
;C[*** One joseki.]W[og]
)
)
Re: beginner help needed with opening moves
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:48 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
The most notable thing about the first dubious moves was that both black and white sinned by omission. They did not make bad moves like dropping a piece in chess, but rather failed to take advantage of opportunities like noticing that their opponent left a piece en prise.
(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[0.50]TM[600]OT[5x20 byo-yomi]PW[Ethelor]PB[MattMiller]WR[22k]BR[23k]DT[2013-01-13]PC[The KGS Go Server at
http://www.gokgs.com/]RE[B+Resign];B[dp]BL[594.419];W[pd]WL[596.382];B[pq]BL[590.153];W[dd]WL[589.475];B[qo]BL[573.577];W[cf]WL[572.058];B[jp]BL[570.101];W[jc]WL[565.59];B[qf]BL[565.276];W[qh]WL[558.424](;B[qc]BL[559.419]C[JB: I would not call this a bad move at the DDK levels, but it does allow white to build a wall that works very well with his other stones. See variation.];W[pc]WL[547.847];B[qd]BL[554.29](;W[qm]WL[533.55]C[JB: I hereby declare this to be the FIRST BAD MOVE. See variation];B[pe]BL[505.535]C[JB: This is a good move by black, taking both territory and getting influence.];W[nd]WL[510.581](;B[oe]BL[475.024]C[JB: Good idea, but a little small. See variation.](;W[od]WL[505.55]C[JB: A bit inefficient. The upper right corner is mostly settled. See variation](;B[dj]BL[459.513]C[JB: This is close to being THE SECOND BAD MOVE. It is not really a bad move in itself, but black is missing a big opportunity elsewhere. See variation.];W[qk]WL[476.789]C[JB: Very good move by white.](;B[og]BL[449.066]C[JB: This is small, and accomplishes almost nothing. See variations];W[ch]WL[466.535];B[ci]BL[432.327];W[bi]WL[463.064];B[bj]BL[428.685];W[bh]WL[453.314];B[dh]BL[419.305];W[gd]WL[436.849];B[ne]BL[380.355];W[ld]WL[429.205];B[on]BL[361.049];W[fg]WL[379.439];B[eh]BL[327.626];W[eg]WL[361.024];B[dg]BL[324.223];W[df]WL[353.556];B[cg]BL[317.923];W[bg]WL[351.168];B[ok]BL[249.223]C[MattMiller [23k\]: why resign?
JB: Good question. Black's position is probably better, but it is thin. White can invade lots of places - here marked with triangles.]TR[fq][cn][lp][np][hq][bk])(;B[jj]C[JB: Go big, if you feel optimistic...or...])(;B[je]C[JB: Start reducing his potential territory...or...]))(;B[qj]C[JB: A double attack. Black is strong in the upper right and in the lower right, and would welcome a fight near his strong stones. With this move, he gets to do exactly that - twice.]))(;W[nc]C[JB: This accomplishes the same thing defensively, but gives white a better chance of territory on the upper side, where not everything is yet spoken for.]))(;B[nf]C[JB: Same idea, but more efficient. ( It is connected. As an exercise, try to cut it off. )]))(;W[pe]C[JB: Black has taken the corner. White must get compensation - which in this case, is a wall on the outside.];B[rf];W[og]C[JB: This is joseki, supposedly an equal continuation for both sides. But in this instance, white is starting to get a grip on a large chunk of the top portion of the board. So it is probably a bad decision for black to make a move that leads into this particular pattern. In other words, R17 was probably the wrong direction.]))(;B[of];W[nd]C[JB: This keep white low, at least compared to the previous joseki.];B[pi]))
PS: Welcome to L19.

Re: beginner help needed with opening moves
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 2:04 pm
by MattMiller
thx, you guys rock