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#205: The Intrepid vs. topazg: The Pistols

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:29 pm
by The Intrepid
The Background

This duel was supposed to commence months ago. I issued the challenge to topazg around the same time I challenged EdLee to a game. However, topazg turned out to be a modern-day Pushkin--his list of pending duels so long and so pressing, I had to take a number and wait in a queue!

What is topazg’s offense such that it would cause me to demand a duel? Simple. I was playing a game against uranther (game #177). There was a violent fight raging on the board. A big chunk of uranther’s stones was under severe attack (and the group did die in the end). However, the game was quiet as far as observer-commenting was concerned. Then, all of a sudden, topazg made a post (#47). Immediately thereafter, the post got “liked”--twice!--and a flurry of other comments commenced.

I was irked and befuddled by this. Did I make a mistake? Did I miss something? If you read Ellison’s Invisible Man, you might recall a scene where the main character is told to make white paint but not told how to make it. Not knowing how to complete a task, yet being expected to do it, greatly infuriated the character. topazg’s post created a similar situation. Although I could not read the comment and, thus, did not know what it said, I still felt like my honor had been slighted.

That said, the fact remained that I did not know what the post said. For all I knew, the post might have been entirely polite and replete with helpful diagrams and variations regarding the position. After all, the post did get “liked”--twice! As such, when I issued the challenge, I thought I would justify it by saying that “the insult might be imaginary in reality, but it sure is real in imagination!”

Then, I read the comment.

“The very idea of allowing :b2: here makes me so upset as White that I’d never give it a second thought .. in fact, it seems so clearly bad straight away that I would never spend the time to think through any further continuations” (emphasis added). Seriously? So, in other words, I was an idiot not because I played a bad move, not because I missed a good move, but because I thought about a move other than the obvious one! Go Seigen would disapprove. I mean, holy excrement! As far as reasons for demanding a duel go, this reason is, like, legit! So, yeah, bring it! :rambo:

Also, I would be remiss not to quote what skydyr said about his latest game against topazg (game #186, post #2, emphasis added):
skydyr wrote:I should emphasize that this is a grudge match.
Clearly, this proves that topazg is known for having grudges with people left and right. This makes me morally justified to demand bloodshed.

Given the bloodlust, there is only one set of weapons available to choose from: the pistols! All the fancy-shmancy concepts like footwork and finesse that come with a sword duel can take a hike. Guns' lethal efficiency is what's needed here. One bullet, one body. Simple.

It is, of course, possible to inflict a wound that is not immediately fatal, but instead causes a slow and agonizing death from sepsis. It is also possible for the gun to misfire, severing a few of the shooter's fingers. Yet, more often than not, one round of shooting is all it takes ... and if doesn't, keep firing till the deed is done. Such is the plan.

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Rules for the game: I'll be playing White, taking 6.5 points of komi; Japanese ruleset with free access to books and game databases.

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:59 pm
by EdLee
:)

Re: #205: The Intrepid vs. topazg: The Pistols

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:31 pm
by topazg
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A 6-4. Because I've got a vivid imagination. And because he spends an inordinate amount of time looking up typical sequences in professional games, which I don't.

Re: #205: The Intrepid vs. topazg: The Pistols

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:57 pm
by The Intrepid
Dude, what the heck! He's countering my strategy even before I played a move! Well, OK, that's not really true, but I did hope he'd play at 4-4. In return I intended to play this move:
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I'm still going to play it probably, but I'll need to read first. I'll explain my strategy shortly.

Re: #205: The Intrepid vs. topazg: The Pistols

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:53 pm
by The Intrepid
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Re: #205: The Intrepid vs. topazg: The Pistols

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:49 pm
by topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
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Oh I see, it's like that is it? I take your crazy response and raise it one crazy response

Re: #205: The Intrepid vs. topazg: The Pistols

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:08 pm
by The Intrepid
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
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Edit:
This is turning out to be a different type of a game than I was planning to play. No matter! I will adjust!

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:21 pm
by EdLee
GnuGo. :D

Re:

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:40 pm
by The Intrepid
EdLee wrote:GnuGo. :D

I know, right? :D GnuGo vs. GnuGo!

Re: #205: The Intrepid vs. topazg: The Pistols

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:45 pm
by Bill Spight
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
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Obvious continuation. :mrgreen:

Edit: Unhidden.

Edit: Black played at "a". Close, but no cigar! Obviously it is too early to play on the third line. ;)

Re: #205: The Intrepid vs. topazg: The Pistols

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:45 am
by The Intrepid
I just edited the first post to include the game's background. Other matters (such as my strategy for the game, comments regarding moves already played, and so on) are still to come.

Re: #205: The Intrepid vs. topazg: The Pistols

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:24 am
by Kirby
Pretty busy at work, and felt a little stressed.
Decided to check out the action on L19.
Saw this game.
It made my day.

That's it.

Re: #205: The Intrepid vs. topazg: The Pistols

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:13 am
by skydyr
@Bill Spight and observers
Bill Spight wrote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm4
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Obvious continuation. :mrgreen:


But everyone knows the strongest move on the board is always tengen! Black can start carving out a moyo in all four directions at once. :o

Re: #205: The Intrepid vs. topazg: The Pistols

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:13 pm
by The Intrepid
Historical Precursors
Late last summer, or thereabout, I was watching Uberdude’s game versus breakfast (Dinershteyn) on OGS (which currently is at the stage of an intense endgame [http://www.online-go.com/games/board.php?boardID=348067]). From there, I decided to check Uberdude’s other active games. That led me to this game:
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In the indicated position, White (manhammer) lost on time! If somebody had told me: "Look! Uberdude’s getting trolled ... hard!" I’d have no reason to doubt that. In fact, with manhammer losing after only nine moves, the trolling theory would be all but verified.

However, the position looked very interesting to me--even if only because I had no idea what White was trying to do or what White could think to play next. My understanding of such fusekis was rather nonexistent back then. That’s how the idea for this Malkovich game came about--I wanted an opportunity to learn about such unusual play styles.

Of course, my understanding of such positions has improved since. In the Strategy section (still to come), I'll explain what it is I’m aiming for.

Re: #205: The Intrepid vs. topazg: The Pistols

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:39 pm
by Uberdude
@The Intrepid

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Manhammer is known for playing strange centre-oriented fuseki. He played another game against me with weird opening, which he also timed out:
http://www.online-go.com/games/board.php?boardID=380399

That game was actually rather difficult and I was far from confident that I would win (I don't need to kill his invasion of the right to win, but I was going to try and if it lives I must kill an invasion of the top right corner which would involve the high risk "take its eyes and let it run out" strategy), which is a much better result for him than most other people around his 1k rank. When people play weird centre moves like that against me I will often, depending on my mood, respond in kind, not wanting to be outdone in the wackyness contest (like topazg's "I take your crazy response and raise it one crazy response").