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First time posting a game record.
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:22 pm
by thelanlegend
I've never posted a game before, but I've had this game record for a couple months now and have wanted to get outside opinions on it for a while. This game was between a very good friend of mine and myself. We have no idea what our rank is or how well we're doing, but we love the game and even recently started a Go club in our community. Any input, comments or criticism would be helpful. If you have a ball park idea what our rank should be, that would be helpful too. We'd like to start playing online and knowing an approximate starting rank would be beneficial, I think.
Thank you in advance!
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rhvof9ex3oul8hw/2012-10-12a.sgf
Re: First time posting a game record.
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:44 pm
by Dusk Eagle
Fixed the link for you.
https://dl.dropbox.com/s/rhvof9ex3oul8hw/2012-10-12a.sgf?dl=1
I'll review later if I have time. Just one link I wanted to drop quickly:
http://senseis.xmp.net/?PagesForBeginners. This is an awesome website if you're looking to improve. Also, just playing a lot will help you get better, especially with things such as spotting [sl=atari]ataris[/sl]

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First time posting a game record.
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:13 am
by thelanlegend
Thank you Dusk Eagle! I appreciate the link, and appreciate you fixing mine.

Re: First time posting a game record.
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:05 am
by karaklis
A few ideas.
I'd estimate your ranks between 25k and 30k.
(;GM[1]FF[4]SZ[19]AP[SmartGo Kifu:2.0.1]GN[2012-10-12a]PW[Cody]PB[Ken]DT[2012-10-12]KM[6.5]RU[AGA (Area)]ID[ch0]CH[1];B[dd]
;W[kd]C[For a beginner I'd suggest to take the corners first.]SQ[pc][pd][qd][qp][pp][pq][dq][dp][cp];B[np]SQ[pp][pq][qp]TR[qq][qo][po][op][oq]C[Right idea, though still a bit far from the corner. The most common corner plays are 4/4 and 3/4 (square), some less common corner plays are 3/3, 3/5 or 4/5 (triangle). In some special situations very advanced players also play 6/4, but I'd not recommend this for beginners.];W[nh]C[Corners first, then edges. Applies to many later moves as well.];B[ej];W[nm];B[jp];W[gh];B[dh];W[lo];B[jn];W[gk]
;B[gl]C[Too early for a contact fight. There are still much bigger points (see squares)]SQ[pd][qd][qc][pc][dp][dq][cp][cq][lq][pp];W[hl]C[Good! The proverb goes "on tsuke play hane", a very basic shape];B[gm]C[Good! The proverb goes "on hane extend", also a very basic shape];W[lq]C[Good! separate your opponent's stones.];B[hk]C[Not appropriate in this moment. After the cut at m3 the marked o4 stones cries for help.]SQ[np][pp][pq][qp];W[ik];B[fk];W[gj]
;B[hj]C[No need to play here since the ladder goes for white. Consider to play in the largest open areas]SQ[pc][pd][qd][cp][dp][dq];W[hi]
;B[ij]C[Same as before. Learn what the ladder is and for exercise try to read it out. Ladders often occur in a game but are very rarely played out. Ladders are an excellent pattern to practise reading];W[jj];B[il];W[ii]
;B[hm]C[Still large open areas that are asking for stones to be set];W[ko]
;B[jk]SQ[jl]C[Try to ask yourself about the purpose of this stone. After this move white can put two stones into atari, so the black stone is lost.];W[jl];B[hk];W[kk];B[gq];W[jo]
;B[po]SQ[io][jp][jn]C[Well, finally help appears, though a bit late, since white can now cut the two marked black stones.];W[nq]SQ[io][jp][jn][jo][ko]C[Cut. The proverb goes "connect your stones and cut your opponent's stones". Remember this shape.];B[oq];W[mp];B[no];W[on];B[oo];W[pn];B[qo];W[or];B[nr];W[pq]
;B[mq]
;W[pp]C[Just try to figure out whether the white stones can survive here. If you find out that white cannot live here, you'd want to play elsewhere, e.g. cut at j5. And have I already mentioned that there are still large open spaces? Guess you got the point. Before picking up fights for a few points, take the big points.];B[pr];W[im];B[mr];W[in];B[io];W[ip];B[ho];W[hp];B[gp]
(;W[gn]C[see alternative];B[hn]C[yes, connect your stones (end of comments)];W[hl];B[fn];W[el];B[il];W[jm];B[dl];W[fl];B[fj];W[hl];B[em]
;W[jq];B[qq];W[qn];B[iq];W[kp];B[jr];W[hq];B[hr];W[ir];B[is]
;W[kr];B[iq];W[jp];B[gr];W[ir];B[js];W[fo];B[eo];W[fp];B[fq]
;W[ep];B[dp];W[eq];B[dq];W[do];B[en];W[er];B[dr];W[fr];B[dk]
;W[gs];B[es];W[ks];B[iq];W[cn];B[go];W[ir];B[hs];W[cm];B[cl]
;W[bl];B[bk];W[am];B[bo];W[cj];B[bj];W[di];B[ei];W[ch];B[dj]
;W[ci];B[dg];W[cg];B[cf];W[df];B[ef];W[de];B[ce];W[ee];B[bg]
;W[eg];B[eh];W[bh];B[be];W[ag];B[af];W[bf];B[ae];W[cd];B[ah]
;W[ai];B[bd];W[ak];B[bg];W[aj];B[ck];W[bi];B[bn];W[bm];B[co]
;W[cc];B[bc];W[cb];B[bb];W[ab];B[ah];W[al];B[ag];W[ec];B[mo]
;W[fh];B[ed];W[fe];B[db];W[dc];B[pf];W[fi];B[od];W[ff];B[dm]
;W[ne];B[oe];W[pd];B[qd];W[pe];B[pc];W[qe];B[re];W[qf];B[qg]
;W[of];B[og];W[pg];B[nf];W[rf];B[rc];W[qh];B[ph];W[rg];B[nd]
;W[pi];B[oh];W[ng];B[pf];W[mf];B[me];W[of];B[oi];W[oj];B[pf]
;W[ni];B[qg];W[qj];B[lf];W[pg];B[of];W[ob];B[ld];W[oc];B[pb]
;W[qb];B[qa];W[rb];B[qc];W[se];B[sd];W[ra];B[pa];W[mc];B[lc]
;W[rd];B[sc];W[oa];B[re];W[nc];B[sf];W[sg];B[se];W[md];B[mb]
;W[ne];B[sa];W[le];B[kc];W[jd];B[jc];W[ic];B[id];W[kf];B[je]
;W[ke];B[hc];W[hd];B[ib];W[ie];B[ic];W[gd];B[jf];W[gc];B[gb]
;W[fb];B[kn];W[lm];B[fa];W[hb];B[ha];W[ea];B[ga];W[ja];B[ia]
;W[la];B[kg];W[lg];B[kb];W[ka];B[ma];W[ro];B[if];W[he];B[da]
;W[eb];B[rp];W[so];B[sp];W[ba];B[ac];W[rn];B[lp];W[iq];B[lr]
;W[kq];B[ln];W[mp];B[mn];W[fm];B[ek];W[hj];B[aa];W[ca];B[km]
;W[kl];B[ll];W[mm];B[nn];W[mk];B[nb];W[na];B[lb];W[ig];B[ab]
;W[sb];B[sa])
(;W[hn];B[go];W[gn];B[fn];W[jm]))
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:39 am
by EdLee
thelanlegend, welcome to Go and this forum!

If you have not finished 100 games yet, I strongly recommend you do it as quickly as possible.
The board size does not matter so much -- 9x9, 13x13, or 19x19 -- although the smaller boards
can save you time spent per game, which means you can finish the 100 games sooner.

First time posting a game record.
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:13 am
by thelanlegend
Thank you for all the encouragement!
Karaklis, I appreciate you taking the time to make notes on my game. I'll be going over them for a whole and make sure my opponent gets the opportunity to do so as well.
EdLee, I'm on it! I passed a hundred quite a while back, but I still have a ways to go before 1000. (I think, I really don't know how many games I've played.) Started playing heavily around 2005 for about a year or so. The person who ran the go club then moved away as well as a couple other people, mine and another person's stones were stolen from the local coffee shop, and slowly the go playing stopped. Fast forward to about a year ago and another friend found my go board and asked to learn how to play. Bought some more stones and slowly started building up another go club in our community. This newfound responsibility of sharing go has encouraged me to make sure myself and the people who are close in strength and helping me teach continue to improve.
I appreciate everything you guys are doing to help and look forward to learning a lot from everyone at this forum!
You can see a bit of our club at
www.caspergo.com
Re: First time posting a game record.
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:19 pm
by Bill Spight
It is a good exercise to try to find the game losing move.

See move 238.
(;FF[4]GM[1]AP[GOWrite:2.2.21]CA[ISO8859-1]ST[2]SZ[19]CH[1]PM[0]GN[2012-10-12a]RU[AGA (Area)]DT[2012-10-12]ID[ch0]KM[6.5]FG[259:]PW[Cody]PB[Ken]
;B[dd]
;W[kd]
;B[np]
;W[nh]
;B[ej]
;W[nm]
;B[jp]
;W[gh]
;B[dh]
;W[lo]
;B[jn]
;W[gk]
;B[gl]
;W[hl]
;B[gm]
;W[lq]
;B[hk]
;W[ik]
;B[fk]
;W[gj]
;B[hj]
;W[hi]
;B[ij]
;W[jj]
;B[il]
;W[ii]
;B[hm]
;W[ko]
;B[jk]
;W[jl]
;B[hk]
;W[kk]
;B[gq]
;W[jo]
;B[po]
;W[nq]
;B[oq]
;W[mp]
;B[no]
;W[on]
;B[oo]
;W[pn]
;B[qo]
;W[or]
;B[nr]
;W[pq]
;B[mq]
;W[pp]
;B[pr]
;W[im]
;B[mr]
;W[in]
;B[io]
;W[ip]
;B[ho]
;W[hp]
;B[gp]
;W[gn]
;B[hn]
;W[hl]
;B[fn]
;W[el]
;B[il]
;W[jm]
;B[dl]
;W[fl]
;B[fj]
;W[hl]
;B[em]
;W[jq]
;B[qq]
;W[qn]
;B[iq]
;W[kp]
;B[jr]
;W[hq]
;B[hr]
;W[ir]
;B[is]
;W[kr]
;B[iq]
;W[jp]
;B[gr]
;W[ir]
;B[js]
;W[fo]
;B[eo]
;W[fp]
;B[fq]
;W[ep]
;B[dp]
;W[eq]
;B[dq]
;W[do]
;B[en]
;W[er]
;B[dr]
;W[fr]
;B[dk]
;W[gs]
;B[es]
;W[ks]
;B[iq]
;W[cn]
;B[go]
;W[ir]
;B[hs]
;W[cm]
;B[cl]
;W[bl]
;B[bk]
;W[am]
;B[bo]
;W[cj]
;B[bj]
;W[di]
;B[ei]
;W[ch]
;B[dj]
;W[ci]
;B[dg]
;W[cg]
;B[cf]
;W[df]
;B[ef]
;W[de]
;B[ce]
;W[ee]
;B[bg]
;W[eg]
;B[eh]
;W[bh]
;B[be]
;W[ag]
;B[af]
;W[bf]
;B[ae]
;W[cd]
;B[ah]
;W[ai]
;B[bd]
;W[ak]
;B[bg]
;W[aj]
;B[ck]
;W[bi]
;B[bn]
;W[bm]
;B[co]
;W[cc]
;B[bc]
;W[cb]
;B[bb]
;W[ab]
;B[ah]
;W[al]
;B[ag]
;W[ec]
;B[mo]
;W[fh]
;B[ed]
;W[fe]
;B[db]
;W[dc]
;B[pf]
;W[fi]
;B[od]
;W[ff]
;B[dm]
;W[ne]
;B[oe]
;W[pd]
;B[qd]
;W[pe]
;B[pc]
;W[qe]
;B[re]
;W[qf]
;B[qg]
;W[of]
;B[og]
;W[pg]
;B[nf]
;W[rf]
;B[rc]
;W[qh]
;B[ph]
;W[rg]
;B[nd]
;W[pi]
;B[oh]
;W[ng]
;B[pf]
;W[mf]
;B[me]
;W[of]
;B[oi]
;W[oj]
;B[pf]
;W[ni]
;B[qg]
;W[qj]
;B[lf]
;W[pg]
;B[of]
;W[ob]
;B[ld]
;W[oc]
;B[pb]
;W[qb]
;B[qa]
;W[rb]
;B[qc]
;W[se]
;B[sd]
;W[ra]
;B[pa]
;W[mc]
;B[lc]
;W[rd]
;B[sc]
;W[oa]
;B[re]
;W[nc]
;B[sf]
;W[sg]
;B[se]
;W[md]
;B[mb]
;W[ne]
;B[sa]
;W[le]
;B[kc]
;W[jd]
;B[jc]
;W[ic]
;B[id]
(
;C[*** Probably the game losing move. ]W[kf]
;B[je]
;W[ke]
;B[hc]
;W[hd]
;B[ib]
;W[ie]
;B[ic]
;W[gd]
;B[jf]
;W[gc]
;B[gb]
;W[fb]
;B[kn]
;W[lm]
;B[fa]
;W[hb]
;B[ha]
;W[ea]
;B[ga]
;W[ja]
;B[ia]
;W[la]
;B[kg]
;W[lg]
;B[kb]
;W[ka]
;B[ma]
;W[ro]
;B[if]
;W[he]
;B[da]
;W[eb]
;B[rp]
;W[so]
;B[sp]
;W[ba]
;B[ac]
;W[rn]
;B[lp]
;W[iq]
;B[lr]
;W[kq]
;B[ln]
;W[mp]
;B[mn]
;W[fm]
;B[ek]
;W[hj]
;B[aa]
;W[ca]
;B[km]
;W[kl]
;B[ll]
;W[mm]
;B[nn]
;W[mk]
;B[nb]
;W[na]
;B[lb]
;W[ig]
;B[ab]
;W[sb]
;B[sa]
)
(
;C[*** White connects to the White stones on the left and prevents Black from forming two eyes on the side.]W[hc]
;B[ib]
;W[hb]
(
;C[*** If Black tries to enlarge his eyespace. . .]B[ia]
;C[*** White encroaches from the other side. If Black played here he would live.]W[ma]
;C[*** Black makes a Utah shape.]B[la]
;C[*** White plays on the vital point to prevent two eyes.]W[kb]
;B[jb]
;W[ka]
;B[na]
;C[*** Only one eye.]W[nb]
;C[*** Double atari.]B[ke]
;W[je]
;B[me]
;C[*** White is too stong in the center for Black to form a second eye.]W[jf]
)
(
;C[*** Black tries to make two eyes.]B[kb]
;W[ja]
;B[ia]
;W[la]
(
;B[ka]
;C[*** One eye.]W[ma]
)
(
;B[ma]
;C[*** Since Black will have to capture these three stones, when he does White can play on this point to hold him to one eye on the side.]W[ka]
;B[ke]
;W[je]
;B[me]
;C[*** Same thing. Black does not have room in the center to form a second eye.]W[jf]
)
)
)
)
First time posting a game record.
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:52 pm
by thelanlegend
Thanks Bill! I really appreciate the commentary on the area at the top edge of the board. I want yo spend some more time going over your suggestions there.