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How to continue?
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:30 pm
by marvin
Hi! Is 4 bad? And what to play for next move?
thanks
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Re: How to continue?
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:39 pm
by Uberdude
4 is fine. Another choice is to attach at the 3-3 point. The intuitive block seems fine, white's shape is a bit funny. He needs to add a move like
a and then you can extend from your wall or keep pushing.
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The idea of the 3-3 attach is to get this:
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and then 3 is silly compared to this joseki:
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It's not a one-way street though, white can try 5 at 6 depending on the ladder.
Re: How to continue?
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:46 pm
by marvin
I had this feeling that b is heavy here but I dont know?
How b continue after this? These kind of situations i cannot handle well...
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Re: How to continue?
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:46 pm
by skydyr
marvin wrote:I had this feeling that b is heavy here but I dont know?
How b continue after this? These kind of situations i cannot handle well...
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As Uberdude said, white owed a move around A, so if he didn't take it, that's a good place for black to start. It opens up the cut above 2 and should either take part of the corner for black or seal white in while black takes the top. Either way, white will also owe a move with 7 to avoid being counter-pincered, I think.
Re: How to continue?
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:10 pm
by Shaddy
Double-hane works, I think.
Re: How to continue?
Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:16 am
by SmoothOper
Uberdude wrote:and then 3 is silly compared to this joseki:
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It's not a one-way street though, white can try 5 at 6 depending on the ladder.
I see these sometimes(against my distant low approach, and kakari) too, they seem silly to me but I also don't really have a great follow up, since a pincer would be severe.
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Re: How to continue?
Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:03 am
by Magicwand
marvin wrote:I had this feeling that b is heavy here but I dont know?
How b continue after this? These kind of situations i cannot handle well...
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Re: How to continue?
Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:21 pm
by marvin
thanks for replys. Now I have a better idea how to continue and how to evaluate position like this
will try to change "I need a base" to "i need a base if opponent is strong" or sth like that.
Will see what will happen in the games... But i guess even more fighting:)
And in this particular position i will probably choose 33 variation