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Offline lovelove
 Post subject: Lee Sedol vs Western Pros
Post #1 Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:06 am 
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Here's the game.



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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: Lee Sedol vs Andy Liu
Post #2 Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:33 am 
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Offline logan
 Post subject: Re: Lee Sedol vs Andy Liu
Post #3 Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:08 am 
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Thank-you for sharing lovelove.

It was a nice, peaceful match.

I would enjoy hearing their thoughts on this game, and how the previous attempted matches, and time in between, may have affected this game.
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Offline lovelove
 Post subject: Re: Lee Sedol vs Andy Liu
Post #4 Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:18 am 
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logan wrote:
It was a nice, peaceful match.

I'd say Lee Sedol didn't want to think too much and (therefore) save his energy, so just make the game easy. I think he can easily win against those western pros until no-komi. 2 handicaps would be even.

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: Lee Sedol vs Andy Liu
Post #5 Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:29 am 
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if i dare make comment on this game...
andy's selection of joseki :b11: in the beginning made this game very comfortable for white.

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Offline Twitchy Go
 Post subject: Re: Lee Sedol vs Andy Liu
Post #6 Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:32 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Lee Sedol vs Andy Liu
Post #7 Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:46 am 
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If Sedol pushes to like 4 handi on these guys, doesn't that expose AGA pro as a sham? Why risk it so early?
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Offline lovelove
 Post subject: Re: Lee Sedol vs Andy Liu
Post #8 Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:58 am 
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badukJr wrote:
If Sedol pushes to like 4 handi on these guys, doesn't that expose AGA pro as a sham? Why risk it so early?

I think it might be possible to 3 handis, if Lee Sedol plays his best.

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: Lee Sedol vs Andy Liu
Post #9 Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:21 am 
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lovelove wrote:
badukJr wrote:
If Sedol pushes to like 4 handi on these guys, doesn't that expose AGA pro as a sham? Why risk it so early?

I think it might be possible to 3 handis, if Lee Sedol plays his best.

i dont think so...
2 stone will give andy advantage IMO.

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Offline lemmata
 Post subject: Re: Lee Sedol vs Andy Liu
Post #10 Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:02 am 
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badukJr wrote:
If Sedol pushes to like 4 handi on these guys, doesn't that expose AGA pro as a sham? Why risk it so early?
Don't worry. Even if that happened, the AGA pro system should not be considered a sham. Remember that the very first Korean and Chinese pros needed to take a couple stones against the top Japanese pros. The AGA pros are just starting out. It is somewhat natural that they are a couple stones weaker than the top player in the world. Baby steps!

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Offline lemmata
 Post subject: Re: Lee Sedol vs Andy Liu
Post #11 Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:15 am 
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Magicwand wrote:
if i dare make comment on this game...
andy's selection of joseki :b11: in the beginning made this game very comfortable for white.
Hi Magicwand. One of Lee Sedol's comments has been posted on go9dan.com. It is very brief:
Lee Sedol wrote:
Black's move 55 seems better to cut at w56. Allowing w to connect at 56 is a pretty significant territorial loss for B and white also gains an eye shape. Black 59 should have been at w60. I think at black 59, Andy was in byo-yomi. The game was still close but B, in byoyomi played some sequence that later w became favorable on board when B resigned. Andy has a good opening, at par with the pros in Korea and China. His mistakes came after he entered byo-yomi but overall, he is much stronger than I had anticipated.
Is there more extensive commentary available elsewhere?

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Offline lovelove
 Post subject: Re: Lee Sedol vs Western Pros
Post #12 Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 8:24 pm 
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Offline logan
 Post subject: Re: Lee Sedol vs Western Pros
Post #13 Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:02 pm 
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Wow, Lee was relentless that match.
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Offline Uberdude
 Post subject: Re: Lee Sedol vs Western Pros
Post #14 Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 4:11 am 
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No need for Lee to release a picture showing he has shot fish in a barrel before.

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Is there a web page that shows the schedule and dates and times for the rest of these matches? Thanks.
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Offline logan
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EdLee wrote:
Is there a web page that shows the schedule and dates and times for the rest of these matches? Thanks.

http://www.go9dan.com/Home/Promotion/4
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Logan, thanks very much.
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Offline Bill Spight
 Post subject: Re: Lee Sedol vs Andy Liu
Post #18 Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:25 am 
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lovelove wrote:
logan wrote:
It was a nice, peaceful match.

I'd say Lee Sedol didn't want to think too much and (therefore) save his energy, so just make the game easy. I think he can easily win against those western pros until no-komi. 2 handicaps would be even.


Or even three stones. :)

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Offline Bill Spight
 Post subject: Re: Lee Sedol vs Andy Liu
Post #19 Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:33 am 
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badukJr wrote:
If Sedol pushes to like 4 handi on these guys, doesn't that expose AGA pro as a sham? Why risk it so early?


No, it would not expose an AGA pro as a sham. 100 years ago it was normal for a 9 dan to give a shodan pro three stones. In a match it would not be impossible for the 9 dan to force a handicap of 4 stones.

These days a normal handicap for a 9 dan to give a shodan pro is 2 stones. But there are 9 dans and 9 dans. Lee Sedol is one of the top few players in the world. Who knows how many stones he could give shodan pros?

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Offline lovelove
 Post subject: Re: Lee Sedol vs Western Pros
Post #20 Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:46 am 
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