Life In 19x19

Posted: **Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:45 am**

This is a fuseki I created. Can I get some thoughts? I won 1 game with it and lost another so far. I need to figure out exactly how to work with it.

(a is miai)

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Posted: **Sun Sep 01, 2013 2:17 am**

ParadoxGo wrote:Can I get some thoughts?

Yes, enjoy it!

Posted: **Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:13 am**

ParadoxGo wrote:This is a fuseki I created. Can I get some thoughts? I won 1 game with it and lost another so far. I need to figure out exactly how to work with it.

What did you think about in 'creating' it?

Posted: **Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:51 am**

Normally, if you create a fuseki, it's you explaining why you chose to play this way rather than asking for other people's feedback first. Why do you want to play this way? What are the objectives you are trying to achieve by playing this way? Then people can help you evaluate if your objectives make sense in light of your fuseki.

Posted: **Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:50 am**

Reminds me a bit of [sl=Jabberwocks]Jabberwocks[/sl]

Posted: **Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:00 am**

tchan001 wrote:Normally, if you create a fuseki, it's you explaining why you chose to play this way rather than asking for other people's feedback first. Why do you want to play this way? What are the objectives you are trying to achieve by playing this way? Then people can help you evaluate if your objectives make sense in light of your fuseki.

I guess I created it with the intention of having the option of either a territory game or an influence game. If white approaches my bottom point, I'll secure territory on the top and right with a shimari on the upper right, also giving myself a good shape with the right side. This basically will give up my bottom corner territory where I'll try to make some influence and hopefully take territory on the bottom left.

I'm not as sure of how to play if approached on the top. I'll shimari on the bottom right star point, making a good shape on the bottom right with my right side star point stone. But then I don't know what exactly to do with the top point. I think I would still try to fight for that territory after white adds a second stone there.

Being only 8k, I'm still learning the reasoning for fuseki and ideal shapes, so this might all be wrong.

Posted: **Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:48 am**

ParadoxGo wrote:I guess I created it with the intention of having the option of either a territory game or an influence game.

I'm not sure, but it seems that with your plan you could also play 3 at A in LR-corner. Now when w approches (lets say UR corner, cos it's symmetric) you can make a shimari at 3 and would get the same position.

That would mean that w has the option to choose an territory or influence game, but not b.

Posted: **Sun Sep 01, 2013 3:39 pm**

I would rather say that you recreated it. I have seen it several times before but never played it myself.

Posted: **Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:08 pm**

Honestly, I don't like it very much. It gives all control of the game to white.

Posted: **Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:15 pm**

It looks playable, as does pretty much all opening moves that are above the second line and not clumped together. I'm not sure the two "a"s are miai, though. The one below seems larger (though personally I' probably play the two space high approach instead).

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Posted: **Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:10 am**

illluck wrote:It looks playable, as does pretty much all opening moves that are above the second line and not clumped together. I'm not sure the two "a"s are miai, though. The one below seems larger (though personally I' probably play the two space high approach instead).

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If black gets sente after 6, then finishes the lower right corner (because it is miai), he is maybe too over-focused on the right side. White has sente and it feels like she is developing faster. If black plays somewhere else, than the OP's two "a" points weren't really miai, after all.

That said, this seems perfectly playable. Play it 10 or 20 times and let us know!

Posted: **Mon Sep 02, 2013 8:24 am**

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Given the choice between :w6:

and 'a', I would definitely choose :w6:

. Why? Because by playing at 'a', you are already playing inside black's sphere of influence. Black will probably use that to build up a huge amount of influence toward the side and center with which he will control the entire flow of the game. By playing at :w6:

instead, you are staking a claim to some outside influence, and no matter what move black plays in the bottom there's still plenty of opportunity for reductions or invasions later.

Posted: **Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:17 pm**

I've played 3 games with it without a win. I'm starting to agree with some of the comments; it is a little too over concentrated on the right side. Plus, white never approaches the bottom right, because that's too dangerous. So next game I might be better off playing elsewhere after white 6.

I'm thinking that approaching the bottom left might be good. Or hitting the bottom star point. I'll try both.

Posted: **Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:21 pm**

ParadoxGo wrote:I've played 3 games with it without a win.

Your

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, and

most likely did not lose the 3 games; rather, later mistakes did.
If you post your 3 losses here, then we can see if this is indeed the case.

Also, wineandgolover's suggestion of 10-20 games is good -- the statistics will be better
with more games.

Posted: **Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:30 pm**

EdLee wrote:
ParadoxGo wrote:I've played 3 games with it without a win.
Your , , and most likely did not lose the 3 games; rather, later mistakes did.
If you post your 3 losses here, then we can see if this is indeed the case.

Also, wineandgolover's suggestion of 10-20 games is good -- the statistics will be better
with more games.

Oh yeah, I'm almost positive it's my mistakes and not the fuseki. But I need to figure out how to work this fuseki better if I want to not make the mistakes I'm making.

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Life In 19x19

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