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Dang Hu games commentary
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:11 am
by mmigo
Hello, My Friends!
As you know, Dang Hu games are very very famous in Chinese Weiqi history.
I search for these games with comment.
AT last, I found out one.
http://www.kendo.ee/go/commented.php is there for you.
Re: Dang Hu games commentary
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:59 am
by tchan001
Please be aware that this forum does not allow posting links to download copyrighted works without permission of the copyright holder. Anonymous commented games do not necessarily mean that the works are provided freely as public domain by the original author.
As pointed out by a member in a report,
In the past, all English commentaries of the Dang Hu Games stemmed from a translation of a Chen Zude book partially translated by Jim Z. Yu for the IGS community. If these are the same English commentaries, then they are under copyright protection by the original translator.
Furthermore, I am not sure if even the Jim Z. Yu translation had received permission from Chen Zude for translating a substantial portion or the totality of the original Chinese work.
Probably a good idea to take out the link to the linux distro and just leave people to enjoy the games on kendo.ee which does not provide download.
Re: Dang Hu games commentary
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:11 am
by logan
The Dang Hu Games (當湖十局) were played between Fan Xiping (范西屏) and Shi Ding'an (施襄夏) in the 1740s. Although many books state that there were 10-11 games, that is actually a mystery and there may have been up to 13 games. For those familiar with classic Japanese go the series could be said to be similar to if Honinbo Genjo and Yasui Chitoku had ever played a match-series against each other -- two lifelong friends and rivals, born a year apart and matching each other in strength year-by-year. The result would have been a even split with nearly every game becoming a masterpiece -- just like in
The Dang Hu Games.
"Two of a Kind: Fan Xiping & Shi Ding'an" by John Fairbairn wrote:"Fan [Xiping] was marvelous, lofty and far reaching, like a supernatural dragon, changing so that no-one could tell his head or his tail. Shi [Ding'an] was profound and precise, like an old steed galloping but never losing its step."
"Shi was like the ocean in great flood, containing much that is profound. Fan was like the high mountains, with aspirations that were lofty and marvellous."
They also matched books, Shi Ding'an wrote a commentary on two-stone handicap games, and Fan matched him. Fan wrote the classic
Peach Blossom Spring Go Manual (桃花泉奕譜) and Shi wrote
Guide to Go Theory (Yili Zhigui). And yes, they also published a book together (
Go Games of the Three Zhangs).
There are also eight made-for-TV, Chinese,
drama movies about the two players (大国手之, 2010-1).
Chen Zude's notable commentary collection:
当湖十局细解 (1987/2005)
I've also added an e-book I made of the eleven existing game records. (The source of the game records is the GoGoD collection.)
Re: Dang Hu games commentary
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:03 pm
by tekesta
Last night I replayed the game depicted below, which I believe to be one of the 当湖十局.

I must admit that my brain felt a bit fatigued after I finished, but the technique exhibited therein is... how shall I say it ... beautiful. It's as if everything is created from nothing.
Re: Dang Hu games commentary
Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 6:27 am
by logan
That's the 'gold-petalled lidded bowls' game from c. 850.
But I'm happy to hear you enjoyed it.