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A war of mistake-attrition. 14k-17k? vs. 15k
Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:53 am
by AshKanenald
I'm not sure my exact rank, I'm kind of re-climbing the ladder in IGS. I'm white in this game.
Just from quickly looking over this game myself, I see that I have a tendency to follow my opponent around instead of ignoring him. This game also features some beautiful attack-blindness by myself, which fortunately didn't ruin me. I only really won because my opponent didn't pick up on weakness I left behind when following him.
http://lifein19x19.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4166
Obviously, being a DDK, I have a lot more bad habits to work on. This is a pretty typical game for me; can anyone else spot any areas I should prioritize for improvement?
Re: A war of mistake-attrition. 14k-17k? vs. 15k
Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:56 pm
by Krama
well.. Q10 or R10 is more common.. with p10 you are on 6th line and invading is simply too easy.
too early for 3-3 (ready more books on san-san invasion)
see the correct joseki for 3-3 invasion
r4 or simply p4 would be enough.. what you played created a lot of cutting points in your own shape.
again... better ways of invading that side.. since it is empty 3-3 invasions give good wall to opponent.
playing on 3rd line would maybe be better. influence is not needed that much since white has weak walls that have a lot of aji.
Re: A war of mistake-attrition. 14k-17k? vs. 15k
Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 4:28 pm
by AshKanenald
Thank you for looking at the game! Sorry, I forgot to note that I was white here. I just edited post to clarify.
I definitely had weak walls everywhere, but wasn't sure how else to respond to various stuff black tried.
Re: A war of mistake-attrition. 14k-17k? vs. 15k
Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 6:16 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
My comments go through move 36 - I didn't have time to look at more.
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manabufarm 15k?: 322 hi
akashe 17k?: Hi!
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akashe 17k?: misclick sorry
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akashe 17k?: thanks
manabufarm 15k?: 322 it hapens
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manabufarm 15k?: 322 lol
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manabufarm 15k?: 322 gg
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akashe 17k?: akashe dead @ C4
akashe 17k?: akashe dead @ B2
akashe 17k?: akashe dead @ F17
manabufarm 15k?: manabufarm dead @ O4
akashe 17k?: Thank you for the game.
akashe done
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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:03 pm
by EdLee
Re: A war of mistake-attrition. 14k-17k? vs. 15k
Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 11:27 am
by AshKanenald
Thank you both of you!