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 Post subject: Who's playing in Tygem? -- It was AlphaGo!!
Post #1 Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:33 am 
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Look what Ali Jabarin (1p, Europe) just reported a few minutes ago in his facebook

"6 pm pairing draw for Limin cup tomorrow morning, 5:58 I'm glued to Tygem watching some mysterious account beat Park Junghwan (again) after just beating Ke Jie twice in a row, oops late for the ceremony, meet ke jie who is also late from watching the game on the way to the ceremony and he is a bit shocked.. just repeating "it's too strong".
Dunno whether it's alphago or not but it's definitely some strong computer with 20-0(and counting) score against top pros, go check out Master(P) on Tygem."


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Post #2 Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:02 pm 
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There is an article dedicated to this in Chinese language
http://www.eweiqi.com/portal.php?mod=view&aid=27777

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Post #3 Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:54 pm 
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An unknown, new AI is crushing pro's on Tygem by the dozen. This post could use a more sensationalist title! Some words in caps at least :)


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Post #4 Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 4:12 pm 
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Another secret/rumored AI? First AlphaGo, then the Chinese rumored one, and now this Master(P) account. If it's going to play public games on Tygem why not announce your program and get some publicity from it?

BTW looks like DeepZenGo is also playing on Tygem as "DEEPZEN", currently 56-5.

Also if you go on Tygem and do "Search User" you have to include the "(P)": "Master(P)"

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Post #5 Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 5:20 pm 
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There's a reddit thread about it here, including a link to 20 of its games. I skimmed through a few and they looked crazy. I am reminded of people wondering how AlphaGo would play if it were trained from scratch, knowing nothing, rather than seeded by trying to imitate strong human play.


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Post #6 Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 8:46 pm 
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Quick question - anyone has a link to the original FB post?

Edit: I found this https://vk.com/club37731763 - can anyone confirm authenticity?

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Post #7 Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 1:32 am 
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The Ali Jabarin post is here, illuck: https://www.facebook.com/avtikh/posts/10154901593134628
It's not public, though, it's Friends Only, so you might need to add Ali Jabarin to see it.

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Post #8 Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 1:42 am 
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Many thanks! Oops, I probably shouldn't have shared this with Baidu Tieba - didn't realize it wasn't public. Though can't imagine Ke Jie having issue with it.

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Post #9 Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 5:50 am 
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Having looked through the 20 games, only 4 or 5 human opponents played like strong pros should play. The other humans made too big mistakes that can have been caused by too short time limits on servers. The bot's play looks like a human with broad knowledge and flexible strategy, with the exception of typical bot virtual ko threats in territory near the end. No bot moves surprise me but I am impressed by the bot's broad "knowledge" regardless of the (non-arcane) position.

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Post #10 Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:07 am 
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Currently the candidate assumption is that it is another DeepMind's bot that is 100% self-trained, linking in the event in which AlphaGo receive Honorary 9 Dan from KBA hence the (P) in Master(P) and the South Korea flag. I doubt about this, are they allow to use professional status to other non-AlphaGo bot? Or they secretly get qualified/certified by KBA? And DeepMind even work on Holiday? I understand that in last year they didn't rest to prepare for Lee Sedol match but this year too?
Other assumption including it's Chinese AI since there's strong rumor surrounding and supporting this, but the only problem is that Master(P) has the South Korea flag.
Or maybe it's simply the South Korean inhouse bot, they pour a lot of money in AI industry after AlphaGo match so this might be a fruitful result.

I'll raise even more question, do you think is this the same account as GodMoves in KGS which beat Zen comfortably 2-0 even when blitzing?

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Post #11 Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 10:46 am 
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I couldn't imagine a Chinese bot having Korean flag. So it must be a Korean bot under testing.

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Post #12 Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 11:32 am 
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Can anyone confirm if this is Chinese language?
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South Korean flag pro account that can speak Chinese, I think I sense Aja Huang is behind this monster's wheel.

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Post #13 Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 12:56 pm 
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pookpooi wrote:
Can anyone confirm if this is Chinese language?
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South Korean flag pro account that can speak Chinese, I think I sense Aja Huang is behind this monster's wheel.


It is Chinese, but that's a stock Tygem system chat message (which is translated into the language of the observer client), so unfortunately does not reveal much.

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Post #14 Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 5:21 pm 
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This is even weirder. Today Master(p) entered the room where DEEPZEN was playing and watched the game.

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Post #15 Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 11:54 pm 
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Master(P) makes news again, and I always love Chinese exaggerating headline about go

like this one

http://sports.qq.com/a/20170101/007687.htm

Human Go completely wrong?

follow by a comment by Ke Jie

"even thousands of years, no one touches the edge of the truth of Go yet"

"the computer tells us that all human beings are wrong, I do not think even a person touches the edge of the truth of Go."

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Post #16 Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:31 am 
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I spend my holiday trying to find update about this (which is very hard considering I don't know Chinese/Korean/Japanese language)
But thanks to Google translate, anyone can correct me if I'm wrong

Look like Master appear at Fox server with crown mark (Xing Tian AI doesn't have this mark) may confirm that Master is, in a way, related to AlphaGo.
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Also Ke Jie comment that Master is much better than Xing Tian, and Xing Tian is around the level of AlphaGo in Lee Sedol match back in March
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Can anyone dig into Fox server? (aka QQ's weiqi game service)

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Post #17 Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:45 am 
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I have a bit more info on Master's opponents, but keep getting error messages when I try to post it.

Edit: An incomplete list of Master's opponents on Tygem (apparently Master
is playing on Wild Fox now)

Game 4: 卧虎(P)(谢尔豪) = Xie Erhao
Game 5: 无痕(P)(於之莹)= Yu Zhiying
Game 6: 翱翔(P)(李翔宇)= Li Xiangyu
Game 7: 三齐王(P)(韩一洲)= Han Yizou
Game 9: 愿我能(P)(孟泰龄)= Meng Tailing
Game 10: 愿我能(P)(孟泰龄)= Meng Tailing
Game 14: 斩立决(P)(严在明)= Yan Zaiming
Game 15: XIUZHI(P)(朴廷桓)= Park Junghwan
Game 16: 剑术(P)(连笑)= Lian Xiao
Game 17: 剑术(P)(连笑)= Lian Xiao
Game 18: 吻别(P)(柯洁)= Ke Jie
Game 19: 吻别(P)(柯洁)= Ke Jie
Game 20: XIUZHI(P)(朴廷桓)= Park Junghwan - This was presumably the game
that made Ali late for the ceremony :p
Game 21: 龙胆(P)(陈耀烨 )= Chen Yaoye
Game 22: 龙胆(P)(陈耀烨 )= Chen Yaoye
Game 23: abc2080(P)(金志锡)= Kim Jiseok
Game 24: XIUZHI(P)(朴廷桓)= Park Junghwan
Game 25: XIUZHI(P)(朴廷桓)= Park Junghwan
Game 26: dauning(P)(李东勋)= Lee Donghun
Game 27: ddcg(范廷钰)= Fan Tingyu
Game 28: 愿我能(P)(孟泰龄)= Meng Tailing
Game 29: 拼搏(P)(芈昱廷)= Mi Yuting
Game 30: 930115(唐韦星)= Tang Weixing

All the information above (along with sgfs and end position diagrams)
are from http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4922688212?pn=1 - I can't speak to
their accuracy :p


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Post #18 Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 1:34 am 
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The games on Foxwq server:

Game 31: black2012 = Li Qincheng
Game 32: 星宿老仙 = Gu Li
Game 33: 星宿老仙 = Gu Li
Game 34: 我想静静了 = Dang Yifei
Game 35: 若水云寒 = Jiang Weijie
Game 36: 印城之霸 = Gu Zihao
Game 37: pyh = Park Yeonghun
Game 38: 天选 = Tuo Jiaxi


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Post #19 Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 1:59 am 
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Let me recap a little bit, a list of pro-level bot
AlphaGo
DeepZenGo
Xing Tian
Jueyi (rumored to be the same as Weigo by Tencent AI platform department)
Master (only South Korean program I can think of is Dolbaram powered up by KBA and Korean government)
GodMoves (rumored to be 神の一手 (Hand of God) by Acer Inc.)

Hideki tweet that UEC cup will reveal all the mystery.

Also, this


Update: Iyama Yuta also lost to Master (in fox server) as well, so basically Master has won against top four players of goratings.org (not counting AlphaGo)


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Post #20 Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:21 am 
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Is it possible to get the chinese tygem accounts in English?

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