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Post #381 Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 8:58 am 
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For now, I spent most of the time I have for go on 9x9 games.
so not that much new to post... still played a new game that went fine for me, even if I missed that attack on the "should be" L+2 group in the bottom/left corner

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[go]$$Bc
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . O . O O . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . X O . O X X X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . , . . X O . O . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . X X . . . X X X X O O X . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . . X X O O X O O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O X O O . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . O X O O . O . O O X . . |
$$ | . X O O O O . O X X . O X O X X X . . |
$$ | . X O . X . O X . X . O X . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X X . O . O X . O X O . . |
$$ | a X X X . . . . . . O X X . O X X X . |
$$ | 1 O X . . . X X O O X . . O . O O O . |
$$ | . O X . . . X O . O X . X X O . . . . |
$$ | 2 b O X . . X O . O X . . . X , O . . |
$$ | . 3 O X . X O O . O X . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X O . . O X . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Here :w2: is wrong I think (should be at 'b'), but :b3: should be at 'a' instead of the the position in the diagram.

Whole game ( :b1: is move 161 in the game)


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Post #382 Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:30 am 
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Highlights:

41: killing an invasion (difficult)
43: reducing an invasion to the smallest size (easy)
66-82: read about small gaps at http://senseis.xmp.net/?SmallGap
87: reward your cutting strategy with a final surround & kill
163: how about that corner (since you asked for it)

All in all an easy and well deserved win by applying a natural strategy based on thickness and cut/surround



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Post #383 Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:21 am 
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Thanks a lot Knotwilg :tmbup: ,

I will try to improve my playing reagarding to small gaps, I remember that Edlee allready mentioned that on some of my earlier games... I will try to replay the splitting sequence (66-82) against my self and see if I can do better...

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Post #384 Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:32 pm 
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oca wrote:
I will try to replay the splitting sequence (66-82) against my self and see if I can do better...
If you want a suggestion or hint:
At move 67, you came back to play the hanging connection at K9. This is a necessary and good move. It is also sente, since W will answer below to avoid being enclosed. Suppose you play this exchange a move earlier, without first pushing at J11. Now see how many more options you have above -- J12, J13, K12 for example are all more likely to enclose W than the game move J11, which forces W to squeeze out and escape. And if your reading says none of those moves actually work, then maybe consider head-butting the W stone at K15 or pushing through L17 to build extra strength before coming back to the primary attack.

To pursue the "squeezing through narrow gaps" idea a little more, suppose B plays something like K9 at move 65 and W decides the group below is safe, but the group above needs to avoid being enclosed. Then playing H12 looks like a reasonable and good move for W. After that, would B want to play J11? Surely that would be a slow and inefficient move after W already has a stone at H12. But with a different move order, this is what actually happened. Once your opponent successfully squeezes through the gap, your nearby stones are likely to end up on dame and become inefficient.


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Post #385 Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:41 am 
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mitsun wrote:
At move 67, you came back to play the hanging connection at K9.
... Suppose you play this exchange a move earlier...


I'm happy as I found this one before reading your comments... but then I got lost in a lot of variations... :lol:

http://www.lifein19x19.com/forum/download/file.php?id=5869


mitsun wrote:
...But with a different move order, this is what actually happened.


Oh..., this kind of analysis when we place moves in a different order is really interesting... Is that what we call a Tewari analysis ?


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Post #386 Posted: Sun May 03, 2015 1:28 am 
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Played two game last night. lost both games, with a very early resignation

I dont care that much losing games, as long as I do my best to understand why I lose the game.

Here is game #1

In that game, the experimental :w8: was the bad idea I think... I tried a table shape with :w14: but missed the attack at :b19: and then that was game over I think...




Here is game #2

Also some experimentation, at :b5: I wanted to try something else then the chinese / kobayashi opening

my attack at :b25: was too much, and white can then attack both of my groups... I wasn't strong enougth... I suppose my timing was completly wrong...


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On game 1, :w20: at H5 (followed by black G4, W-F4, black connect, white E5. Then if black cut at F3 you give atari at E3 and damage severely his corner.


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Bki wrote:
On game 1, :b20: at H5 (followed by black G4, W-F4, black connect, white E5. Then if black cut at F3 you give atari at E3 and damage severely his corner.


Thank you Bki, I played :w20: too fast, I was sure I can eat sthe stone like in a net, but missed that when he played H5, that would put my two stones in atari... very basic... but I still missed that :roll:

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I would say you lost the second game because you played too many loose attacking and invading moves and never took the time to secure your positions with good thick defensive moves.

At the start, :b13: seems needlessly aggressive. Why jump into an area where you are already pincered and have no room to make a base? The right side is more open and larger. Letting W make a shimari here is not something you have to go to extreme measures to prevent.

The sequence to :b14: to :w20: left B with a glaring weakness at N2 -- if W plays there, B will have no base or eye-shape, while W will be making territory on both sides. W has already successfully punished the premature invasion. Instead of :b25:, which as you point out is an overplay, just defend calmly at N2 or M2. The game is still playable for B at this point.

:b53: is a very nice invasion, making use of the B thickness to the right, to get compensation for the loss on the side. The game is by no means lost yet. In fact, if you kill the corner, the game looks won -- try counting territories and see if you agree.

:b63: is again overly aggressive. Surely continuing the attack on the lower left corner to consolidate your gain there is much more important than starting an uncertain new fight in the center. After a surrounding move like F5, the W corner looks nearly dead. Even if W can live, playing here first guarantees sealing W in sente, for a very good local result. Or if you think W can live, attacking at G2 is an alternative, planning to drive W out, letting you naturally make side territory around C8. Either way B still has a good game.


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Post #390 Posted: Tue May 05, 2015 11:27 am 
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Thanks a lot for your comments mitsun !

I play mostly on 9x9 these days, I wonder if that gave me some bad habits and if I became too aggressiv and maybe too ... "local thinking" on the 9x9 every thing is a battle...(or maybe not... but that's my perception from my level)

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Post #391 Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:31 pm 
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Dear log, I have not that much 19x19 games to post right now as my free time for go doen't allow me that ofen to play a game on a 19x19 size... I can still play once a weak on a real goban but I don't have any sgf...

That said I play daily on the train a few 9x9 games each day... I reached 2k on goquest, but that rank doesn't seems to have any thing to do with my way weaker level on the 19x19 borad, where I'm still DDK.

I play these quick 9x9 games as an exercice, like other people does tsumego a think (well I do tsumego too...).
I try to spot some tesuji and always review my games right after playing them. I also started to include counting in my reflexion, that's more easy to do on a small borad and I think that can help me to start doing that on larger board.

I also improved (or hope to at last) my understanding of how to deal with crosscut and to identify which group to rescue first.

so all in all, I'm quiet happy playing 9x9 games right now, maybe that would me my study plan for this year... play a maximum of 9x9 games and try to learn the maximum from them...

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Post #392 Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 11:12 am 
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Despite I don't post that ofen these days, I still play daily...

This is one of my best game... Where I won against a dan player (but rank doesn't seems to be the same as IGS... I'm 2k on goquest and still 12k on IGS...)



That said, most of the time, game against stronger player ends like that one, which I played the same day...


I will try to post and comment a few more games... I still really like that 9x9 format for now...

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