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Post #101 Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 3:10 pm 
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
Sigh. Have I landed in "Lord of the Flies"? Shall we expect you to start sporting face paint and attacking anybody who looks different or who thinks differently?
You guys are becoming bloody savages. ;-)


Hehe, every good mafia don needs a scapegoat with which to feed the fishes :D


I should know better than to use an example from American literature with a Brit. He replies with a reference to Hollywood. :razz:

Ok, that vernacular works for me...I'll try again:

Have I landed in the "Twilight Zone"? Specifically, on Maple Street? ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Monste ... ple_Street )

As Rod Serling says while the closing credits roll: "The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices, to be found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill, and suspicion can destroy, and the thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all of its own: for the children, and the children yet unborn. And the pity of it is that these things cannot be confined to the Twilight Zone."

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Post #102 Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 3:23 pm 
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Ah, but Joaz... it's a game. The game is a give and take. You CAN perfectly hide your team affiliation. However, at the moment, while we have very little information on anyone, we have the least on you. This may seem good to you, but it means that no one has any reason at all to think that you are on their team. Statistically, there are X people on the opposing team, and X-1 (the one being myself) on my team. Thus, odds are slightly higher that you are on the opposing team. If that's all the information you're willing to give until you start playing moves on the board to make your team win in endgame, then I have to assume that you're slightly likely to be on the other team. With other players, while they are still unknown quantities, they are giving small amounts of information based on their current choices. Consequently, I can assume that I may be able to deduce their team later, and vote them off if they are not on mine. As a result, I know that the truly random player is a slightly worse than 50%, and it will never improve, so I'll be forced to vote you out as well. Unless, that is, you start to show information about you so that I can start to vote intelligently, instead of being reduced to choosing blindly.

By the way, I'm on team blite. Or is that team whack? Now I'm confusing myself.

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Post #103 Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 4:36 pm 
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I know I'm DEFINITELY on team WHACK! :D

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Post #104 Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 1:39 am 
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[go]$$Bc Nominations
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$$ | . . . . b d c . . |
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a (C3): Jordus
b (E6): fwiffo, prokofiev, topazg,
c (F7): Chew Terr, Marcus, daniel_the_smith
d (F6): Joaz Banbeck

Can I close the vote at 17h GMT+1(about 7 hours from now)?

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Post #105 Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 5:09 am 
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Errata: You have b in the wrong place, and daniel_the_smith voted for c, not b.

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Post #106 Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 5:16 am 
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In a few moves, I'm going to start guessing which team everyone's on, that'll be quite fun I think :)

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Post #107 Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 5:25 am 
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prokofiev wrote:
Errata: You have b in the wrong place, and daniel_the_smith voted for c, not b.

Thanks, fixed.

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Post #108 Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 3:51 pm 
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Chew Terr wrote:
Ah, but Joaz... it's a game. The game is a give and take. You CAN perfectly hide your team affiliation. However, at the moment, while we have very little information on anyone, we have the least on you. This may seem good to you, but it means that no one has any reason at all to think that you are on their team. Statistically, there are X people on the opposing team, and X-1 (the one being myself) on my team. Thus, odds are slightly higher that you are on the opposing team. If that's all the information you're willing to give until you start playing moves on the board to make your team win in endgame, then I have to assume that you're slightly likely to be on the other team. With other players, while they are still unknown quantities, they are giving small amounts of information based on their current choices. Consequently, I can assume that I may be able to deduce their team later, and vote them off if they are not on mine. As a result, I know that the truly random player is a slightly worse than 50%, and it will never improve, so I'll be forced to vote you out as well. Unless, that is, you start to show information about you so that I can start to vote intelligently, instead of being reduced to choosing blindly.


Wow...a most articulate savage. :D These people may be worth studying. In the interest of hanging around, I'm going to act like one of them: face painting, distrust of new ideas, etc. I'll even provide some information about myself, cloaked of course - like everyone else's - in misdirection, subterfuge and the occasional bald-faced lie. I change mine to E6.

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Post #109 Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 3:58 pm 
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
Wow...a most articulate savage. :D These people may be worth studying. In the interest of hanging around, I'm going to act like one of them: face painting, distrust of new ideas, etc. I'll even provide some information about myself, cloaked of course - like everyone else's - in misdirection, subterfuge and the occasional bald-faced lie. I change mine to E6.


Oh, and I forgot. Ahem... ooga booga. There, my incomprehensible savage outburst quota has been reached. :)

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Post #110 Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 4:00 pm 
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[go]$$Bc Final Vote
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a (C3): Jordus
b (E6): fwiffo, prokofiev, topazg, Joaz Banbeck
c (F7): Chew Terr, Marcus, daniel_the_smith


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What now?

(How about two days for each move?)

(also, if anyone wants to make Malkovich style hidden comments, feel free to pm them to me)

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Post #111 Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 4:01 pm 
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topazg wrote:
In a few moves, I'm going to start guessing which team everyone's on, that'll be quite fun I think :)


It will be easy, bcuz Kirby gave himself up. He thought that he had the goods on Joaz, and said that Joaz was white team. Kirby would only do that if he was on the black team.

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Post #112 Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 4:13 pm 
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Hey Sol, you're not playing, please don't post. :roll:

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Post #113 Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 4:20 pm 
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F6, because it's clearly better than D6.

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Post #114 Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 4:44 pm 
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Post #115 Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 5:37 pm 
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F6 for me too.

In and/or out of game: I imagine F5 is also plausible here. Are any others playable?

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Post #116 Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 7:11 pm 
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Post #117 Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 7:19 pm 
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Post #118 Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 7:28 pm 
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Would it be an abuse of my admin powers to reveal the identity of fake-Sol? :twisted:

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Post #119 Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 7:53 pm 
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Why wasn't I included in the tally for last round? I voted for the 3-5 point.

Anyway, I vote hane for Black this time. I also vote that symmetrical moves be considered the same for voting counts. I had assumed they were, anyway.

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Post #120 Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 9:30 pm 
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I'm down with the hane, as well. It has the sort of fighting spirit that will help our team claim victory.

Because I'm on team black.

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