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Post #1 Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:19 am 
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From a few days ago: https://youtu.be/0BKJCg-wB5w?t=3215
The players are Chang Suyeong 9p (Black) and Kim Chongsu 8p (White). [go4go game record]

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Post #2 Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:44 am 
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From a few days ago: https://youtu.be/0BKJCg-wB5w?t=3215
The players are Chang Suyeong 9p (Black) and Kim Chongsu 8p (White). [go4go game record]


This game is from the Korean Veterans League, now in its third year. One characteristic of it is that quite a few games are played out despite huge winning margins (even as high as 44.5 points this month, from memory).

It seems the old pros are not entirely comfortable at short time limits and maybe the thing that goes first is counting during the game.

The error in the game above is of a different kind, of course (set in old ways still not used to dame filling?).

Chang also featured in the longest Korean game (384 moves, not filling dame), and so now has two special entries on his file - but he won the longest game!

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Post #3 Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:29 am 
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Post #4 Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:57 am 
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I tell DDKs to fill the dame, but this is ridiculous! :oops:

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Post #5 Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:22 pm 
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Bill Spight wrote:
I tell DDKs to fill the dame, but this is ridiculous! :oops:


And he can't even say it was a mis-click :sad: at least we can feel less bad that even a professional may suffer such painful fate, multiplied ten times by it being real stake rather than the ego in our case!

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Post #6 Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:06 pm 
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As soon as I opened the video I knew what his mistake would be :lol:


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Post #7 Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:34 pm 
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I like the way both pros handled calmly and taking one stone instead of total removal, which would feel like rubbing it in.

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Post #8 Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:01 pm 
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Calvin Clark wrote:
I like the way both pros handled calmly and taking one stone instead of total removal, which would feel like rubbing it in.


I didn’t understand what was going on with that part. I can see your point that not picking up the stones might be an attempt at face-saving, but is choosing to leave stones on the board allowed by most rule sets? I thought one had to remove dead stones.

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Post #9 Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:28 pm 
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BlindGroup wrote:
I didn’t understand what was going on with that part. I can see your point that not picking up the stones might be an attempt at face-saving, but is choosing to leave stones on the board allowed by most rule sets? I thought one had to remove dead stones.


Leaving the stones or not has nothing to do with any written rule. He is just using a polite non verbal way to ask black if he wishes to resign.


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taking one stone instead of total removal
It was 11 :black: stones, so even normally it would take two hands or two grabs; he only took 3 and paused. :) But yes, same idea.

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Post #11 Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:20 am 
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John Fairbairn wrote:
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From a few days ago: https://youtu.be/0BKJCg-wB5w?t=3215
The players are Chang Suyeong 9p (Black) and Kim Chongsu 8p (White). [go4go game record]


This game is from the Korean Veterans League, now in its third year.



The official name of this tournament used by the event organiser is 'Korea Senior Baduk League'. 'Veterans' is a good translation but not used officially. I just updated my database.

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