169 - blindgod vs. EdLee

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Re: 169 - blindgod vs. EdLee

Post by blindgod »

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[go]$$Wcm28
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Was torn between playing this and P18, but since I've been trying to protect my groups (something a number of people have been telling me I need to focus on), I decided on jumping out. Concerned about white responding with R17, however.
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First feeling:
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[go]$$W
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[go]$$Wm30
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If B knows the vital point of :b1:, he is playing like no 18k I've ever met. :twisted:
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[go]$$B
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Re: 169 - blindgod vs. EdLee

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[go]$$Wcm30
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Considered P18 & R13, but felt that this was more solid than either. Still concerned about losing the upper right corner and white's potential framework and/or moyo on the left. My hope is to use my group on the top (which is not alive yet) to eventually reduce the left side. More immediately, I want to try and connect my five stones on the top and keep the O17 & O15 stones separate from the R12 stone.
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[go]$$Wm32
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Re: 169 - blindgod vs. EdLee

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[go]$$Wm32
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When I look at my group in the upper right corner, all I can hear in my head is the words, "How is this going to live?" And while I'd like to focus on keeping white's two groups separated, that's not going to do me much good if my group doesn't have any eyes. I thought about playing 3-3, that's too passive even for me.
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Hmm, :b33: missed an important point: usually, in a contact fight like :b31:- :w32:, one cannot tenuki.
Variations:
Instead of :w32:, I considered the peep :w1:-- if B connects with :b2:, then W is happy because :w1: catches :b4::
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[go]$$W
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]
But B may block on top instead, and this starts to look bad for W -- closed in -- (thus :w32: directly in the real game):
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[go]$$W
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So I was expecting something like this -- I have to give up the two :wt:'s:
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[go]$$B
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Re: 169 - blindgod vs. EdLee

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Ed, can I ask a favor? Aside from your comments, would you be willing to give me some feedback after the game's done?
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blindgod, of course. :)
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[go]$$Wm34
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Seems a shared local vital point (see previous var.), in sente (i.e. double sente):
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[go]$$B :b1: tenuki
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Re: 169 - blindgod vs. EdLee

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[go]$$Wm34
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$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


Extend from a hane.
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[go]$$Wm36
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$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
The :w34:- :b35: exchange in sente makes a big difference--
B could not afford to tenuki with :b33: during this fight.
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Re: 169 - blindgod vs. EdLee

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[go]$$Wm34
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$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


I know the saying "only a fool doesn't connect against a peep." However, when I looked at the board after connecting, it looked to me like it wasn't really helping my group all that much. I get the feeling that I bit off way more than I could chew in this game.
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[go]$$Wm38
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Re: 169 - blindgod vs. EdLee

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