173.Twitchy Go v bakekoq

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I need to separate black's influence at the bottom asap. hmm.. what will black's answer for now?
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bakekoq,
bakekoq wrote:I need to separate black's ( :batman: :-? :rambo: :geek: :blackeye:) at the bottom asap. [My substitution]
Black has almost zero ( :batman: :-? :rambo: :geek: :blackeye:) at the bottom.
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Re: 173.Twitchy Go v bakekoq

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My preferred result. Regardless the attachment at 5 is a probe.
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I need to attach at c3 first, because if W cuts it will get complicated.
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If he cuts before I put pressure on K3 I can get sente to pressure C11, and retain the option of pushing K3 from a

Edit:
Additional thought. K3 seems oddly placed. 3space pincers are about as loose as you can get. at 4 spaces all it does is deny me a large point in gote. Thats all I see at least.
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Re: 173.Twitchy Go v bakekoq

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btw, guys. I suppose can't see the spoiler, right? it's tempting me always when see some spoiler in the post.
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It's still normal continuation. It's still sente for black. T_T. I'm waiting for my chance. :D
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Re: 173.Twitchy Go v bakekoq

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bakekoq wrote:btw, guys. I suppose can't see the spoiler, right? it's tempting me always when see some spoiler in the post.

You are correct. But you can read Ed Lee's comment since he addressed it to you this time.
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If he wants to catch C3 I can attack K3 severely. I predict my main line from last post will come to pass now. In fact.

Trigger usage: Pick your move before looking. This is operating on the honor system, but if your move doesn't match the next one in the sequence you can't use the trigger. You may follow the trigger until it either ends or you want to play a different move.
Apologies if this is common sense, just want to make sure were on the same page here. Me and Wanderling had some confusion in our game.
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Trigger almost accepted.
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bakekoq,
bakekoq wrote:btw, guys. I suppose can't see the spoiler, right?
When it's addressed to you, you can read it. :)
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Re: 173.Twitchy Go v bakekoq

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I'll keep my points there. I'm not to sure about this board as W. W has two groups behind enemy lines. The groups might not die but there harrasable and might live small while giving B influence. W also need to go back to get a base for his lower left corner. I want to say that taking that base and getting his double wing are miai? I'm not sure if I'm right about that though. I think the next two moves will be taking/denying the double wing and attacking/defending the lower left corner. But that seems like an big move vs urgent move... so can it be miai?
I like his move. Retaining sente at the cost of a potential cut in the future. If I can get a ladder breaker in though. :twisted: Could be a fun, a cap on his C11 stone would do the job nicely.
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EdLee wrote:bakekoq,
bakekoq wrote:I need to separate black's ( :batman: :-? :rambo: :geek: :blackeye:) at the bottom asap. [My substitution]
Black has almost zero ( :batman: :-? :rambo: :geek: :blackeye:) at the bottom.

hmm.. because it's lonely? or it's not enough for invading the bottom side?
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bakekoq wrote:
EdLee wrote:bakekoq,
bakekoq wrote:I need to separate black's ( :batman: :-? :rambo: :geek: :blackeye:) at the bottom asap. [My substitution]
Black has almost zero ( :batman: :-? :rambo: :geek: :blackeye:) at the bottom.

hmm.. because it's lonely? or it's not enough for invading the bottom side?


I mean contextually I had a pretty good idea about what Ed Lee was talking about but you might want to hide your response, and address it to Ed Lee.
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bakekoq,
And you probably want to discuss hidden texts addressed to you, also in hidden tags. :)
bakekoq wrote:hmm.. because it's lonely? or it's not enough for invading the bottom side?
It's kind of a Catch-22 situation: when we reach a certain level, we'll naturally understand it;
until then, no amount of explanation can really help us understand.

My suggestion is, for the time being, you avoid the term 'influence' like the plague.
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This is one of the ways to approach the low Chinese. I'm using it because C11 and D17 have the same relationship as the low Chinese.Typically I see W enclose and B backs off 2space.
I think O7 was slow. W might be able to disconnect R9 but As R9 runs it weakens his 2 space extension on the top right.. so that doesn't seem good. And My corners definitely fine.
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Re: 173.Twitchy Go v bakekoq

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EdLee,
And you probably want to discuss hidden texts addressed to you, also in hidden tags. :)It's kind of a Catch-22 situation: when we reach a certain level, we'll naturally understand it;
until then, no amount of explanation can really help us understand.
My suggestion is, for the time being, you avoid the term 'influence' like the plague.

avoid the term influence? why does we avoid it? let's discuss it after it's done. hmm..
this, last move is surely interesting. I had this opponent's move long time a go and still remember it.I don't know what's better. invade or defense. Hmm.


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Re: 173.Twitchy Go v bakekoq

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still eying the cap at E11 and the harassment of the lower left corner. But let us see what W does with sente.
bakekoq wrote:avoid the term influence? why does we avoid it? let's discuss it after it's done. hmm..

Ah Ed Lee's JWMNTB!(jargon which must not be named) I think I can imagine how that conversation is playing out. :lol:


I don't think I need to worry about W groups on the right connecting in one move. Will feel kind of silly if they do, but I can cut any attempt i believe.
B is ahead on Territory. But I don't really see W getting much out of the center... And if W invades that will just give me a third group to potentially bother.
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