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[go]$$Bcm190 Prisoners: :b5: :w4:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X X X . X X . X X X O . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . O O , O X X O . O O X X O O X . O . |
$$ | O . O X O O X O O . X . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O X . X O O O X . X X . X O X O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . O X . X X O X O O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . X X . X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . O X , . X . X X X . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . O . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . O O 3 . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O O . . X . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986

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[go]$$Bcm190 Prisoners: :b5: :w4:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X X X . X X . X X X O . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . O O , O X X O . O O X X O O X . O . |
$$ | O . O X O O X O O . X . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O X . X O O O X . X X . X O X O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . O X . X X O X O O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . X X 4 X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . X X O O . . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . O X , . X . X X X . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . O . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . O O X . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O O . . X . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Almost done the game here, I think.
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[go]$$Bcm190 Prisoners: :b5: :w4:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X X X . X X . X X X O . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . O O , O X X O . O O X X O O X . O . |
$$ | O . O X O O X O O . X . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O X . X O O O X . X X . X O X O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . O X . X X O X O O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . X X O X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . X X O O . . . . . 5 X . O . |
$$ | . O X , . X . X X X . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . O . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . O O X . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O O . . X . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986

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[go]$$Bcm190 Prisoners: :b5: :w4:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X X X . X X . X X X O . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . O O , O X X O . O O X X O O X . O . |
$$ | O . O X O O X O O . X . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O X . X O O O X . X X . X O X O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . O X . X X O X O O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . X X O X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . X X O O . . . . . X X . O . |
$$ | . O X , . X . X X X . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . O . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . O O X . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . X X 6 |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O O . . X . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Let's connect here now.
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Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986

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I think this game is close.

93 is a mistake because of q19 being atari. White should play r1, c9, L17 and H9, all of which are pretty sente right now. 93 should only be played if you follow it with p19 - that makes it gote-ish so I would play the 4 moves I suggest then save the stone...
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Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986

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[go]$$Bcm190 Prisoners: :b5: :w4:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X X X . X X . X X X O . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . O O , O X X O . O O X X O O X . O . |
$$ | O . O X O O X O O . X . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O X . X O O O X . X X . X O X O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . O X . X X O X O O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . X X O X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . X X O O . . . . . X X . O . |
$$ | . O X , . X . X X X . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . O . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . O O X . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . X X O |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . X O O 7 |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O O . . X . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986

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[go]$$Bcm190 Prisoners: :b5: :w4:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X X X . X X . X X X O . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . O O , O X X O . O O X X O O X . O . |
$$ | O . O X O O X O O . X . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O X . X O O O X . X X . X O X O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . O X . X X O X O O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . X X O X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . X X O O . . . . . X X . O . |
$$ | . O X , . X . X X X . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . O . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . O O X . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . X X O |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . X O O X |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O O . . X . . . . X 8 . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Sneaky sneaky ... he's threatening a ko in this corner. I do not have enough ko threats to fight it. Better to give him the stones.

I should have left R6 for after the corner was more solid (R1 first, maybe?)
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Post by EdLee »

Marcus,
Marcus wrote:Sneaky sneaky ... he's threatening a ko in this corner.
Could you show your ko variation?
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Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986

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EdLee,
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: :b5: :w4:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X X X . X X . X X X O . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . O O , O X X O . O O X X O O X . O . |
$$ | O . O X O O X O O . X . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O X . X O O O X . X X . X O X O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . O X . X X O X O O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . X X O X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . X X O O . . . . . X X . O . |
$$ | . O X , . X . X X X . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . O . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . 2 4 |
$$ | . . O O O . O O X . . . . . . . X O 3 |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . X X O |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . X O O 5 |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O 1 |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O b . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O 8 |
$$ | . O . X O O O O . . X . . . a X 7 6 c |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
The above is the ko I read (at c). However, it's not as bad as I had thought. I was worried about bent 4 in the corner if I played a or b. Perhaps because this game has gone on for so long, I'm also trying to avoid to many complications.

1986 does deserve to win this game, I think. He has outplayed me in several places. I'm quite frankly surprised that it feels as close as it does (I should really post my count, but I haven't really gotten the hang of counting yet, so my count is usually way off anyways; I'll refrain from embarassing myself too much more :mrgreen: ).
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[go]$$Bcm190 Prisoners: :b5: :w4:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X X X . X X . X X X O . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . O O , O X X O . O O X X O O X . O . |
$$ | O . O X O O X O O . X . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O X . X O O O X . X X . X O X O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . O X . X X O X O O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . X X O X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . X X O O . . . . . X X . O . |
$$ | . O X , . X . X X X . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . O . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . O O X . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . X X O |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . X O O X |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O 9 X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O O . . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm190 Prisoners: :b5: :w4:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X X X . X X . X X X O . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . O O , O X X O . O O X X O O X . O . |
$$ | O . O X O O X O O . X . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O X . X O O O X . X X . X O X O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . O X . X X O X O O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . X X O X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . X X O O . . . . . X X . O . |
$$ | . O X , . X . X X X . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . O . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . O O X . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . X X O |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . X O O X |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O 9 X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X 0 O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O O . . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Wasting ko threats now? Not sure what he's trying to accomplish ...
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[go]$$Bcm200 Prisoners: :b5: :w4:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X X X . X X . X X X O . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . O O , O X X O . O O X X O O X . O . |
$$ | O . O X O O X O O . X . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O X . X O O O X . X X . X O X O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . O X . X X O X O O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . X X O X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . X X O O . . . . . X X . O . |
$$ | . O X , . X . X X X . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . O . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . O O X . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . X X O |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . X O O X |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O X X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X O O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X 1 X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O O . . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
this is the only game i been playing in go, its been hard to get back to go with family issues so this has been the only game that keeps me going, this is fun, i cant wait to get my life more balanced so i can get more time playing go again because i still have a love for the beauty and strategy of the game.

right now im trying to get the most out of the whole board in sente because the game is close, so far i got the ball back in my court, my main focus is not making a mistake, this is the long drawn out boring part of the game thats easy to loose if your not careful, im glad the clocks not ticking
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[go]$$Bcm200 Prisoners: :b5: :w4:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X X X . X X . X X X O . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . O O , O X X O . O O X X O O X . O . |
$$ | O . O X O O X O O . X . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O X . X O O O X . X X . X O X O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . O X . X X O X O O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . X X O X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . X X O O . . . . . X X . O . |
$$ | . O X , . X . X X X . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . O . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . O O X . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . X X O |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . X O O X |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O X X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . 2 O X O O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O O . . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Still wasting ko threats ... unless I mis-counted liberties?
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[go]$$Bcm200 Prisoners: :b5: :w4:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X X X . X X . X X X O . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . O O , O X X O . O O X X O O X . O . |
$$ | O . O X O O X O O . X . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O X . X O O O X . X X . X O X O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . O X . X X O X O O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . X X O X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . X X O O . . . . . X X . O . |
$$ | . O X , . X . X X X . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . O . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . O O X . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . X X O |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . X O O X |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O X X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . O O X O O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O O . . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm200 Prisoners: :b5: :w4:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . O X X X . X X . X X X O 4 O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . O O , O X X O . O O X X O O X . O . |
$$ | O . O X O O X O O . X . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O X . X O O O X . X X . X O X O O . |
$$ | . X X . X . O X . X X O X O O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X . O . X X O X O . . |
$$ | . X . . . X X O O . . . . . X X . O . |
$$ | . O X , . X . X X X . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . O . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . O O X . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . X . . . . . . . X X O |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . X O O X |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O X X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . O O X O O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O O . . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Guess I did that to myself ... oh well ... need to get better with my endgame I think ...
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