odoacre
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by odoacre Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:40 pm
EdLee wrote: odoacre,
odoacre wrote: I don't understand white's last move, I would play this, Seems like B gets at least the two stones after all ?
odoacre, what's your continuation after
?
$$B
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$$B
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$BI thought this, but maybe it's silly, giving up two stones to take two, OTOH, hey, it's sente
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by opex Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:21 am
Wow... Amazing move.
$$Bcm38 Sente, but small
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm38 Sente, but small$$Bm38 Fail
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bm38 Fail$$Bm38 Seems ok
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bm38 Seems okNext day thoughts
$$Bm38 Do I really need that exchange?
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bm38 Do I really need that exchange?$$Bcm38 Not really fails. Can white escape after black a ?
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm38 Not really fails. Can white escape after black a ?Variations get quite hairy.
$$Bcm38
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by hyperpape Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:53 am
$$Bcm38
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Go is order of moves. When I saw this move, I actually stared for a bit, trying to realize why I'd decided not to play
and why the game move is ok.
$$Wcm37 Bad
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm37 Bad$$Wcm37 Fine
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm37 Fine
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by opex Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:13 am
Actually, this
may fail:
$$Bcm40
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm43$$Wcm53
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm53$$Wcm63
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm63I looked at many variations, and they are quite difficult to read. Maybe best play results in white escaping. So one mistake from me, and white escapes for sure, with me losing a cutting group. Dangerous.
But what about this move?
$$Bcm40
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by opex Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:43 am
emeraldemon,
Not much to show yet, the basic idea is this miai: either I try to grab the left, or I try to seal the running group.
$$Bcm40
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm40I'm waiting for white's response: will Hyperpape be able to frighten me by playing aggressively around
b and threatening to kill my running group in the center?
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by hyperpape Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:20 am
$$Bcm40
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$$Bcm40
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm40 This was a nice forcing move from him. As far as my response goes, I had a hard time evaluating
a ,
b and
c . I think
b leaves an obnoxious point at
d , so that was out. But
a and
c almost feel like a coin flip.
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by opex Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:21 am
$$Bcm42
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by EdLee Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:05 pm
Hyperpape,
hyperpape wrote: $$Bm40
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bm40I think
b leaves an obnoxious point at
d , so that was out.
Could you show what's so obnoxious about (d)?
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by hyperpape Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:13 pm
$$Bcm42
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by opex Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:24 am
$$Bcm44
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by hyperpape Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:53 pm
$$Bcm44
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by opex Sun Jul 29, 2012 3:15 am
$$Bcm46
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by hyperpape Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:18 am
$$Bcm46
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by opex Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:25 am
$$Bcm48
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?
$$B
and why the game move is ok.
may fail:
