Question about Chinese opening

[pancake]

Hey everyone,

I have a question regarding the Chinese opening. See the sgf I attached. If anyone finds a good move for white, please let me know! ^^

Greets,

Pancake

[Joaz Banbeck]

@Pancake: Note the use of 'sgf' tags.

(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[White]PB[Black]
;B[pd]
;W[dd]
;B[pq]
;W[dp]
;B[qk]
;W[nc]
;B[pf]
;W[pb]
;B[fq]
;W[cn]
;B[jp]
;W[po]
;B[np]
;W[qq]
;B[qr]
;W[qp]
;B[rr]
;W[qm]
;B[nn]LB[om:1][mo:2]
(;W[om]C[This is the 'old' joseki.]
;B[on]
;W[pn]
;B[pl]
;W[rk]
;B[rj]
;W[rl]
;B[qj]
;W[pm])
(;W[mo]LB[on:3][no:1][op:2]C[This is a variation for white]
(;B[no]C[If black simply connects...]
;W[om]
;B[on]
;W[pn]
;B[pl]
;W[rk]
;B[rj]
;W[rl]
;B[qj]
;W[pm]LB[mo:A][no:B]C[Now A-B becomes a good exchange])
(;B[op]C[So black can play here, and the following variation is sort of joseki.]
;W[on]
;B[om]
;W[nm]
;B[ol]
;W[pk]
;B[qj]
;W[no]
;B[oo]
;W[pn]
;B[mn]
;W[nl]
;B[nk]
;W[ln]
;B[mm]
;W[ml]
;B[lm]
;W[ok]
;B[pj]
;W[mk]
;B[lo]
;W[nj])
(;B[on]C[Question: What if black plays here?])))

[pancake]

Thanks Joaz, that will make things easier. ^^

[kvasir]

White Q9. It is my solution. You can check my argument.

(;GM[1]FF[4]AP[qGo:1.5.4]ST[1]
SZ[19]HA[0]KM[5.5]PW[White]PB[Black]

;B[pd];W[dd];B[pq];W[dp];B[qk];W[nc];B[pf];W[pb];B[fq];W[cn]
;B[jp];W[po];B[np];W[qq];B[qr];W[qp];B[rr];W[qm];B[nn];W[mo]
;B[on]
(
;W[op]C[I noticed this cut...
]
(
;B[oq];W[no];B[oo];W[pp];B[tt]C[If black does not protect...]
;W[nq];B[mp];W[nr];B[or];W[lp]C[So black is forced when white cuts.]
)
(
;B[no]C[If black blocks here it is not that good.]
;W[oq];B[or];W[nq]
(
;B[mq];W[nr]
(
;B[rq];W[rp];B[sq];W[ss];B[os];W[pr];B[ps];W[rs]C[Black is dead in the corner.]
)
(
;B[pr];W[rq];B[sr];W[os];B[ps];W[rs]C[Again dead.]
)
)
(
;B[nr]
;W[mq]C[Black's territory is destroyed and chances are white will not have any problem living or escaping.]
)
)
)
(
;W[pk]C[I tried this.]
(
;B[pl]C[Black cuts!]
;W[ql];B[qj];W[ol];B[pm];W[pn];B[om];W[op];B[oq];W[no];B[oo]
;W[pp];B[mp];W[mn]C[Ladder!]
)
(
;B[ql];W[pm];B[nl];W[pl];B[qj];W[pj];B[pi];W[oi];B[ph];W[nj]C[Maybe worse than joseki :/ but white is out.]
)
(
;B[pj];W[pl];B[oj];W[nl]C[White is out and N5 stone is a problem for for black.]
)
)
)

[pancake]

I found some possible solutions to your move, Kvasir. Let me know what I missed.

http://www.lifein19x19.com/forum/download/file.php?id=1995

[kvasir]

I tried to kill black's corner. White is short on eyespace and nothing works. And yeah black can cut white with easy moves :((

(;GM[1]FF[4]AP[qGo:1.5.4]ST[1]
SZ[19]HA[0]KM[5.5]PW[White]PB[Black]

;B[pd];W[dd];B[pq];W[dp];B[qk];W[nc];B[pf];W[pb];B[fq];W[cn]
;B[jp];W[po];B[np];W[qq];B[qr];W[qp];B[rr];W[qm];B[nn];W[mo]
;B[on];W[pk];B[pl];W[ql];B[qj];W[ol]
(
;B[pm];W[pn];B[om];W[op];B[oq];W[no];B[oo];W[pp];B[mn];W[nq]C[I tried this but it doesn't work.]
;B[mp];W[nr];B[ps]C[I think this is the best move for liberties and eyeshape.]
;W[os];B[pr]
(
;W[lq]
(
;B[lo]
;W[rq]C[White wins this semeai.]
)
(
;B[lp]
(
;W[kq]
;B[rq]C[This move kills white.]
)
(
;W[rq];B[mq];W[mr];B[lr]
(
;W[kq];B[kr];W[jq];B[ms]
)
(
;W[kr];B[kq];W[ls]
(
;B[ms]
)
(
;B[lq];W[sr]
(
;B[rs]
)
(
;B[ms]
(
;W[ns]
)
(
;W[rs];B[ks];W[sq]
)
)
)
)
)
)
)
(
;W[mq];B[lo]
(
;W[rq]
;B[lr]C[M2 kills white.]
;W[lq];B[kq];W[sr];B[rs];W[sq];B[lp];W[ss];B[mr]
)
(
;W[kq]
;B[rq]C[This move kills white.]
(
;W[rp];B[rn];W[qn];B[ro]
)
(
;W[ro];B[qn];W[rn];B[rp];W[qo];B[rl]
)
(
;W[rn];B[ro]
)
)
)
)
(
;B[pn];W[qn];B[pm]C[:((((((((((((((]
)
)

[kvasir]

We have to rescue white!

[Magicwand]

We have to rescue white!

i am not going to go in detail because i do not know the answer to the problem..but your variation is full of mistakes.

[hyperpape]

Hmph. I should have asked about that move before when we discussed that position.

[kvasir]

We have to rescue white!

i am not going to go in detail because i do not know the answer to the problem..but your variation is full of mistakes.

Sorry about that.

[Magicwand]

We have to rescue white!

i am not going to go in detail because i do not know the answer to the problem..but your variation is full of mistakes.

Sorry about that.

Your apology was not what I am after and wasn't necessary.
I am sorry that I don't have time and knowledge to give you better answer.

[Uberdude]

Don't know if pancake still checks the forums but...

There's no k4 stone yet in this game, but take a look at how Lee Sedol handles the nobi after the peep:

http://igokisen.web.fc2.com/kr/8pic4.sgf