#178 - magicwand vs topazg

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E16 atari
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[go]$$Bcm121 Prisoners: black:1 white:3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O X O X O X . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X 1 . O X . X . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O O . . . X . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . . X . X X X O O . 2 . |
$$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . |
$$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . O . , . . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O O X . X . X X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Another comparitive loss. I'm dreading the count already :P

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[go]$$Bcm121 Prisoners: black:1 white:3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O X O X O X . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X 1 . O X . X . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O O . . . X . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . . X . X X X O O . 2 . |
$$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . |
$$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . a X X X O . O . , . . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O O X . X . X X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I hope I get "a" in sente now, but I may have to accept a monkey jump into the lower right, which isn't giving me happy smiley thoughts.

I hope the battle has been somewhat entertaining to the watchers at least, sorry about the frenetic pace ;)
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[go]$$Bcm121 Prisoners: black:1 white:3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O X O X O X . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X 1 . O X . X . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O O . . . X . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . . X . X X X O O . 2 . |
$$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . |
$$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X . X 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 . . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 4 X X X O . O . , . . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . 6 O O O O O X . X . X X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


How badly am I losing I wonder ..
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm121 Prisoners: black:1 white:3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O X O X O X . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X 1 . O X . X . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O O . . . X . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . 8 O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . . X . X X X O O . 2 . |
$$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . |
$$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X . X 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 O . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 . . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 4 X X X O . O . , . . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . 6 O O O O O X . X . X X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm121 Prisoners: black:1 white:3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O X O X O X . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X 1 . O X . X . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O O . . 0 X . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . 8 O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . . X 9 X X X O O . 2 . |
$$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . |
$$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X . X 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 O . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 . . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 4 X X X O . O . , . . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . 6 O O O O O X . X . X X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Really had to think about this one. I think it's sente enough because of the one point jump into his territory, and I wanted to protect the cut left at M12. If it is sente, I'm deciding between the following:

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[go]$$Bcm121 Prisoners: black:1 white:3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . d X O . |
$$ | . . O X O X O X . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X 1 . O X . X . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O O . . 0 X . O O O . . |
$$ | . . e X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . 8 O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . . X 9 X X X O O . 2 . |
$$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . |
$$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X . X 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 O . X . . . . . . . X . . . a . |
$$ | . 5 . . . X O . . c . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 4 X X X O . O . , . . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . 6 O O O O O X . X . X X b . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


"d" is probably just about winning right now, but my goodness is it hard to evaluate these.

Either way, I'm pleased to note that from my count this game is still really pretty close. Wouldn't it be nice to actually finish a game against magicwand ;)
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm131 Prisoners: black:1 white:3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O X O X O X . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X X . O X . X . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O O . . O X . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . . X X X X X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . |
$$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O X X X O . O . , . . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O O X . X . X X . 1 O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Will respond later ..
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm131 Prisoners: black:1 white:3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O X O X O X . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X X . O X . X . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O O . . O X . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . . X X X X X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . |
$$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O X X X O . O . , . . O O . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O O X . X . X X . 1 O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Doesn't this lead to this?

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[go]$$Bcm131 Prisoners: black:1 white:3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O X O X O X . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X X . O X . X . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O O . . O X . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . . X X X X X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . |
$$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O X X X O . O . , . . O O 3 5 6 . . |
$$ | . O O O O O O X . X . X X 4 1 O 8 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . 9 2 7 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Further thoughts:

Hmmm, maybe that was too clever by half.

I was trying to avoid this:

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[go]$$Bcm131 Prisoners: black:1 white:3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O X O X O X . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X X . O X . X . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O O . . O X . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . . X X X X X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . |
$$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . X O . . . . . . 4 . . O . 5 |
$$ | . O X X X O . O . , . . O O . 2 . 6 . |
$$ | . O O O O O O X . X . X X 3 1 O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


as it just felt so passive, but it looks like the best I can get now might be:

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[go]$$Bcm131 Prisoners: black:1 white:3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O X O X O X . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X X . O X . X . 8 . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O O . . O X . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . . X X X X X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . |
$$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . 7 O . . |
$$ | . O X X X O . O . , . . O O . 3 6 . . |
$$ | . O O O O O O X . X . X X 5 1 O 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Which is unpleasant :(
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[go]$$Bcm131 Prisoners: black:1 white:3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . O X . X . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O X O X O X . X . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X X . O X . X . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O O . . O X . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . O O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O X . . X X X X X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O O O X . X . . . . O O X . O X . |
$$ | . . X X X . X . . . . . . X X . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O X X X O . O . , . . O O 4 , . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O O X . X . X X 3 1 O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hmmm, maybe a reprieve here ..
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