#179 - DJLLAP vs opex

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Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex

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opex wrote:Each move taking a liberty from my bottom group is sente. These moves can be saved as ko-threats for future kos if they happen to appear. Or they can be used immediately to get double approach somewhere.
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[go]$$Wcm26 :b29: at :bt: , :w32: at :w26:
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I'm not sure about these moves opex is proposing for Black. How about this for a double-approach?
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[go]$$Wcm24 Captures: b - 1, w - 0.
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$$ | . . . B . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . |
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Also, the following moves for Black seem very good:
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[go]$$Wcm24 Captures: b - 1, w - 6.
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In this position, Black might even be preferable. Sure, White got a big corner and captured some stones, but Black has a big corner, large moyos on the right and top sides, and more influence over much of the board than White. White's stones are just way too overconcentrated. What do other spectators think?
Ontological imperative holds that my losses occurred only in imagination.
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Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex

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Why would white ignore black's ko threats? Black has to win twice while white only has to win once. White can just keep answering the threats until they get small enough to ignore, and if black ignores white's threats and goes for the win, white will surely get a lot of compensation elsewhere, especially when you consider that white's outside stones will still be quite strong even after losing the ko.
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Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex

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Does Black need to win the ko twice? What about this move for Black?
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[go]$$Wcm24 Captures: b - 1, w - 0.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . |
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Ontological imperative holds that my losses occurred only in imagination.
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[go]$$Wcm24 Captures: b - 1, w - 0.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O O X |
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[go]$$Wcm26 Captures: b - 1, w - 1.
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[go]$$Wcm26 Captures: b - 1, w - 1.
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$$ | . . . O . 2 . . . , . . . . . O X X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X |
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I decided to make my threat on the bottom corner s to maybe later utilize my three empty triangle stones at the bottom if opex captures.
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There are no ko-threats in the opening
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[go]$$Wcm28 Captures: b - 1, w - 6.
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$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . . . O C C C |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wcm28 Captures: b - 1, w - 6.
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$$ | . . . O . X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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The Intrepid wrote:
Does Black need to win the ko twice? What about this move for Black?
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[go]$$Wcm24 Captures: b - 1, w - 0.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 1 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O X X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
How is that any better than Q2? It allows white to play q2 as a local ko threat. Wherever black plays, the white stones at R2 have two non ko related liberties, while the black stones at R3 have just one.
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:b27: seemed too small a threat (and :w28: correct to take). Maybe this is better for B?
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[go]$$B
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$$ | . . 3 O . . . . . , . . . . . O X X X |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . X X O X 2 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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@Splatted
You're right, I was being dumb. In any case, the double approach I was suggesting earlier or the one EdLee suggested were better than what DJLLAP chose.
Ontological imperative holds that my losses occurred only in imagination.
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I agree, the high approaches are way too soft on white.
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So, a double high approach. The most severe kind of double approaches, according to senseis library.

I've found two josekis for this case.
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[go]$$Wcm30 Captures: b - 1, w - 6.
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$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . O |
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This is peaceful. Immediate tiny life in the corner. Advantages: i may tenuki. Disadvantages: black gets enormous influence on both sides.
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[go]$$Wcm30 Captures: b - 1, w - 6.
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This :w30: is the first instinct when i see hazama tobi. It allows me not to be sealed in the corner, build a tiny wall, and develop top left hoshi. As a drawback, it allows black to grab the lower side if he wants to.
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This seems to be more of a right direction considering lower right. On the other hand, this may lead to a running battle which i'm not very good at. And i'm not sure how to answer :b37: . And look at the top left hoshi stone: it is sad, facing black stones in both directions.

I'm inclined towards the second diagram. It may develop into a running battle if black somehow pulls out the lone stone near my miniwall, since the miniwall has ears but not eyes; during this running black may get the bottom, but i might manage to build some moyo on the top... And it keeps invasions i'm thinking of: at r11 and at m3... I rarely invade, preferring to make opponents invade my moyos, so i'm wondering: how will they go?.. Will i have a chance? Are they necessary at all? They seem early now since we still have space to grab, at the top for example. But if you look at my lower right strength, these moves look like attacking moves utilizing this strength rather than invasions. I don't know how to call them.
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Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex

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[go]$$Wcm32 Captures: b - 1, w - 6.
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