beginner joseki question

[Bill Spight]

Can you post that game.

Suzuki-Kitani is a joseki dictionary, no?

http://senseis.xmp.net/?DictionariesPage

Right, thanks. Sorry I did not make that clear.

ah, I see. Then can Bill or somebody who has the book post what it says about that variation?

I did. They say that it is joseki.

They also say that if White presses at (E-07), Black takes the stone on C-04. If Black extends to F-06 instead, Black gets pushed around (kikasare).

[oren]

[kivi]

[quote="oren"][/quote]
Both games it is the losing move, hehe :p
On a serious note, especially second game it is easy to see the special reason why the differing move (n5 there) becomes more attractive than usual.

[speedchase]

On a serious note, especially second game it is easy to see the special reason why the differing move (n5 there) becomes more attractive than usual.

I don't! The low position of white's corner, and the fact that black is undercut would make me think that influence is less important than normal

[jts]

On a serious note, especially second game it is easy to see the special reason why the differing move (n5 there) becomes more attractive than usual.

I don't! The low position of white's corner, and the fact that black is undercut would make me think that influence is less important than normal

Yes, I didn't see it either! Positionally, the bottom doesn't seem bigger than the lower right. But perhaps kivi's idea is that the cut at r4 is bad?

[Shaddy]

It's because of the o10 group, i think.