beginner joseki question

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Re: beginner joseki question

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kivi wrote:Can you post that game.


jts wrote:Suzuki-Kitani is a joseki dictionary, no?

http://senseis.xmp.net/?DictionariesPage


Right, thanks. :) Sorry I did not make that clear.

kivi wrote:ah, I see. Then can Bill or somebody who has the book post what it says about that variation?


I did. They say that it is joseki.

They also say that if White presses at :w11: (E-07), Black takes the stone on C-04. If Black extends to F-06 instead, Black gets pushed around (kikasare).
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[quote="oren"][/quote]
Both games it is the losing move, hehe :p
On a serious note, especially second game it is easy to see the special reason why the differing move (n5 there) becomes more attractive than usual.
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kivi wrote:On a serious note, especially second game it is easy to see the special reason why the differing move (n5 there) becomes more attractive than usual.

I don't! The low position of white's corner, and the fact that black is undercut would make me think that influence is less important than normal
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speedchase wrote:
kivi wrote:On a serious note, especially second game it is easy to see the special reason why the differing move (n5 there) becomes more attractive than usual.

I don't! The low position of white's corner, and the fact that black is undercut would make me think that influence is less important than normal

Yes, I didn't see it either! Positionally, the bottom doesn't seem bigger than the lower right. But perhaps kivi's idea is that the cut at r4 is bad?
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Re: beginner joseki question

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It's because of the o10 group, i think.
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