A new server is being developed: Kaya.gs

[mohsart]

My 2 cents regarding the last couple of days' discussion about passwords:

First of all, I don't consider the situation to have been much of a security issue.
But,
It's a matter of professionalism and credibility, it just doesn't seem very trustworthy to have a non-changable password that equals the username. Most or all of the funders knew there was close to nothing for non-funders to gain by hijacking a funder account, but non-funders didn't!
And, it's a matter of respect for the funders: If they should have the privilege of having sole access to the alpha, it should not have been so easy for non-funders to get access.
At least the information about passwords should not have been made public on the blog; for instance a note to the funders to email kaya to receive the information would have been better.
Posting what was already publicly available on the kaya blog here was mostly a non-issue, a bit unneccesary perhaps but really nothing to get upset about.

/Mats

[mohsart]

Would it be a good idea to create a new forum for kaya discussions, or if there is reason to believe that there will not be much discussions a "other servers" forum.
Also, this thread discuss loads of different things so maybe it should be split up into 3-4 threads?

/Mats

[Kaya.gs]

Would it be a good idea to create a new forum for kaya discussions, or if there is reason to believe that there will not be much discussions a "other servers" forum.
Also, this thread discuss loads of different things so maybe it should be split up into 3-4 threads?

/Mats

Joaz offered me to open up a new thread. I told him i wanted to wait because i didn't want to put much energy here, but given the last week maybe its time to have a space where each issue can be somewhat discussed separately. I agree that this thread has grown monstruosly.

[admin] To be precise, I offered to create a new sub-forum, as has been done for KGS, IGS, etc -JB [/admin]

[Joaz Banbeck]

[admin]
There are some serious questions about L19 policies raised in this thread ( such as how L19 should react to posting of other sites' alleged security holes). I'd rather not discuss them in this thread, simply because they are off topic.

I've got lots of real-world work to do today. This evening or tomorrow I will start a thread or two in the 'bugs and suggestions' forum so the issues can be handled calmly and in the appropriate location. I ask for everyone's patience until then.

As for the topic of the thread, there is nothing in the TOS that prevents a member from criticizing another web site - it is only criticizing other members that is explicitly against the rules.
( A prudent member would, of course, try to state such criticisms if the most dispassionate language possible to facilitate a calm, reasoned, and productive discussion. )
-JB

[/admin]

[Kaya.gs]

Would it be a good idea to create a new forum for kaya discussions, or if there is reason to believe that there will not be much discussions a "other servers" forum.
Also, this thread discuss loads of different things so maybe it should be split up into 3-4 threads?

/Mats

Joaz offered me to open up a new thread. I told him i wanted to wait because i didn't want to put much energy here, but given the last week maybe its time to have a space where each issue can be somewhat discussed separately. I agree that this thread has grown monstruosly.

[admin] To be precise, I offered to create a new sub-forum, as has been done for KGS, IGS, etc -JB [/admin]

Yes , thats what i understood. If Kaya had its own subforum, each topic could be in a separate thread inside the subforum.

No rush, handle your daily life and do it whenever you can.

Regards,

[Kirby]

Would it be a good idea to create a new forum for kaya discussions, or if there is reason to believe that there will not be much discussions a "other servers" forum.
Also, this thread discuss loads of different things so maybe it should be split up into 3-4 threads?

/Mats

Joaz offered me to open up a new thread. I told him i wanted to wait because i didn't want to put much energy here, but given the last week maybe its time to have a space where each issue can be somewhat discussed separately. I agree that this thread has grown monstruosly.

[admin] To be precise, I offered to create a new sub-forum, as has been done for KGS, IGS, etc -JB [/admin]

Yes , thats what i understood. If Kaya had its own subforum, each topic could be in a separate thread inside the subforum.

No rush, handle your daily life and do it whenever you can.

Regards,

Sounds like you wanted a subforum, so I set one up.

[mohsart]

Good job Kirby, with a new baby and all.
Personally I'll probably be off of here pretty soon and god knows for how long, once my baby arrives (scheduled for today).
Sorry for being off topic, but this having a baby really is something.

/Mats

[Kirby]

Good job Kirby, with a new baby and all.
Personally I'll probably be off of here pretty soon and god knows for how long, once my baby arrives (scheduled for today).
Sorry for being off topic, but this having a baby really is something.

/Mats

Congratulations, mohsart. May the labor be short and trouble free

Regarding the baby, I highly recommend those carrier things you can use to strap the baby to your stomach. Our kid always sleeps in it, even if he was crying seconds earlier. In fact, I am using it right now. In coordination with my iPad, I can read books, play go, use the forum, and do go problems all without having to get up, all the while having me kid right here with me.

Of course, the extra time off work helps

[stalkor]

so uhh on topic....move this thread?

[Chew Terr]

so uhh on topic....move this thread?

Moved, per request.

[Javaness2]

I think you'd need to a bit dim to confuse the two.
As a trial, try this spot the difference excercise.
1: Kaya.gs KGS
2: IGS KGS
3: IGS LGS
4: DGS KGS
5: Richard Nixon George Bush

And I am sorry to bring this up again, but this is similar to the whole "name" thing that I (and myself alone it would seem) have a problem with. If it (name confusion with KGS, security) truly becomes an issue then the solution will come too late; so Kaya.gs should be proactive with security issues, and this does not set a good precedent. This is the point illluck was making, I think.

When this matter become a conversation in this very thread, I was very flexible and gave a very clear condition for us to change the name from Kaya.gs to Kaya: that people vote on it.
https://kaya.uservoice.com/forums/130479-ideas-and-suggestions-for-kaya/suggestions/2226710-call-the-project-simply-kaya-

I closed it down on December 7, when we started to design the prizes for the Meijin donors to not cause an issue with sending them outdated material.

It received 8 votes in total from 4 people. That is 8%(4/64) of this months active users, or 2%(4/195) of the users since the feedback site creation . It has over 45 ideas above it being discussed, some of them having 8 times the number of votes.

To add a last thing to this matter, you can call this project kaya as 95% of the people do on a daily basis, including me and Pato. As much as KGS is a short(or used to be) for "Kiseido Go Server" Kaya is a short for Kaya.gs.
It is true the people that dislike that similarity, dislike it very much. I gave a way for us to change our minds on the name. Look a way for you to accept that Kaya.gs is just fine, and its not going to cause issues for KGS o Kaya, which there is no reason to.

Both at that matter as much as this, im totally open to dialogue and im very open minded. If i truly believe a different course of action will benefit end users, i will do it. If illucks intention were innocent and well-intended, he can always clarify that with me as he could when i sent him the private message , and as he can do now by sending me one.

[zazen5]

Bring it on. I hope the number of Go servers buries this planet, assuming there are enough players. It was funny, in December 2011, wuzheng.org, turn based in Hong Kong couldnt take any more players! They had around 12,000 and the server crashed!! This is truly awesome. A horde of Go hungry players! I play on gomatches.com, dragongoserver.net and wuzheng.org. I dont play on Kiseido live anymore because finding matches can be time consuming and I am impatient waiting or being rushed. I would rather take my time and find the best move, it's very very rewarding. And I can do this in correspondence games. So more power to persons who wish to invest their time and money in creating more possibilities for Go training. Bring it!

[Bonobo]

Forgive me for necrophiling this thread, but methinks it’s worth it (if not everybody here has registered already): 1h17m to a new release of 300 accounts!

[Bonobo]

Still 229 left …

[zazen5]

I registered the other day at kaya.gs The site admins there are very helpful and allow freedom of speech. This is really really refreshing as opposed to the dictator admins at KGS. One point that could be implemented so kaya works on tablets/phones is a box to input stone coordinates and/or a separate submit button so if a stone is placed wrongly the player doesnt have to beg the opponent for an undo which is annoying to both players. While the chatting is nice, for all the forum activity I expected to see a ton of players, and I dont. There is only a couple correspondence games, next to none in terms of live games. It appears that unless you are around 1 kyu or higher it will be difficult to obtain either a correspondence or a live game. This is tragic given all the time and energy obviously spent on the site. As it stands right now though I find that wuzheng.me, dragongoserver.net, and gomatches.com to be far more efficient for any serious player actually wanting to play and learn Go.