Kirby wrote:Okay, here's some information that I looked up.
Your final score is: (Your base stone count x 5) + Points you gained from the turn betting (if you gave your opponent the first turn) + (the number of plus points you played on x 5) - (the number of minus points you played on x 5) + the stones you have on the board + the territory that you are surrounding.
And, as stated earlier, you lose 2 points for scanning.
There might be some other scoring details, but I think that this is the general way to compute the score.
This looks 100% correct. The only detail you didn't mention is that minus zones are not counted as points of territory (since territory is counted by filling in with stones).
MountainGo wrote:As for >170 points, are you sure?
In Sol's post you linked to that was one of the scores in the image in his post.
Wow, yeah, didn't see that. The only thing I can think is that it must be a running total, counting previous games in the match or something. We'll figure this all out eventually...
At first I was going to play in the upper left, but the top side is small since it's already undercut by White's second-line base stone. I like my move because it might encourage White to attach at the minus zone later. Throughout the game I am going to be favoring moves whose justification is related uniquely to Batoo, as a way of having fun and getting used to the game.
Grrr, I wish I'd taken that point. I need to decide when to approach the lower right, though obviously a slide is now sensible as it is still locally reasonable and doesn't cost me 5 points. So, instead, I'm tesuji-ing it. It's going to be hard for Black to fight here without taking at least one, and hopefully both of the minuses. This game is awesome, I'm going to declare an L19 batookovich ladder at some point
The only other move I considered was the hane, which costs me five points but doesn't look much better than this one. Now White has to worry about finding himself in a position where he has to live in that corner by playing a minus zone.
[go]$$Wc Score - B: 20, W: 13 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . m . . . . . m . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | p . . . . . . . . . p | $$ | . 6 X . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . O m X . . . . . . | $$ | . . m O X . . X m . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+[/go]
I usually try to play as solidly as possible, so I was tempted to connect at D5, but I think that might be over-concentrated (creates a "super-stable" chain, a no-no according to Bruce Wilcox), and it lets White get a big corner. If White cuts me, it shouldn't be a problem, since I can live easily (I hope) on both sides.
[go]$$Wc Score - B: 20, W: 14 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . m . . . . . m . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | p . . . . . . . . . p | $$ | . X X . . . . . O . . | $$ | . 7 O m X . . . . . . | $$ | . . m O X . . X m . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+[/go]
I have a feeling I'm playing to the m and p points, which I think I'm doing way too hard. We'll see how this goes, I have a few plans but nothing all that clever sadly
[go]$$Wc Score - B: 21, W: 14 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . m . . . . . m . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | p . . . . . . . . . p | $$ | . X X 8 . . . . O . . | $$ | . O O m X . . . . . . | $$ | . . m O X . . X m . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+[/go]
I really hate to play such a slow move, but I just can't find any alternative that doesn't leave me with scary weaknesses. I even considered the kosumi to the plus zone on the left, but I just can't read any happy futures for me after White cuts at D5. At least now I am completely impervious to attack and I can focus on other things. And since I have 7 points "komi", I don't need to do anything fancy.
This type of solid, cautious move is typical for me. If it is bad and Graham manages to punish it, I'll consider it a valuable learning opportunity.
I will now try to play in the upper left as soon as possible.
[go]$$Wc Score - B: 21, W: 15 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . m . . . . . m . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | p . . . . . . . . . p | $$ | . X X X . . . . O . . | $$ | . O O m X . . . . . . | $$ | . . m O X . . X m . . | $$ | . . . . 9 . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+[/go]
Hopefully living in the corner without having to touch the nasty "m" points . Have 3 plus points in my grasp too, which is obviously nice. Looking at D9 and K3 if I can get them as well.
[go]$$Wc Score - B: 22, W: 15 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . m . . . . . m . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | p . . . . . . . . . p | $$ | . X X X . . . . O . . | $$ | . O O m X . . . . . . | $$ | . . m O X . . X m . . | $$ | . . . . O B . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+[/go]
I thought about tenuki-ing to the upper left (maybe D9) to extend from my wall, but I think I should just be more patient. I expect after this move White will connect somehow, and then I will descend to the plus zone. 5 points really is a lot on such a small board!
I also need to start thinking about my strategy for the hidden stone. In general I think it's best to use it for a move that you would have wanted to play anyway. That way if your opponent finds it right away, you didn't lose anything. The trick will be to find a time when there is a point that I want to play but White doesn't.
[go]$$Wc Score - B: 22, W: 16 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . m . . . . . m . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | p . . . . . . . . . p | $$ | . X X X . . . . O . . | $$ | . O O m X . . . . . . | $$ | . . m O X . . X m . . | $$ | . . . W O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+[/go]
Strategy and Thoughts
If he takes the plus zone, I think I will play D9. As he's going to want to avoid C9 and at the same time stop me developing the top side. Hopefully I'll get it in sente and then wander off to the top and right hand side plus points.
[go]$$Wc Score - B: 28, W: 16 $$ +-----------------------+ $$ | . . . . . p . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . | $$ | . . m . . . . . m . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | p . . . . . . . . . p | $$ | . X X X . . . . O . . | $$ | . O O m X . . . . . . | $$ | . . m O X . . X m . . | $$ | . . . O O X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . B . . . . . | $$ +-----------------------+[/go]
This is a big move. Getting 5 points on the plus zone isn't like taking five points of territory; it's like capturing five stones. That is to say, the swing value is 10.
Incidentally, if I ever try to make territory in the upper left, White may be able to take the left plus zone in sente, which is one more reason why the upper left isn't as big as it looks.
. Have 3 plus points in my grasp too, which is obviously nice. Looking at D9 and K3 if I can get them as well.