Although I won this game I'd love a review. This was for the Canadian League Internet Go league. I felt very behind in the beginning.
CLIG Game
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Re: CLIG Game
4: if you want to play 3-4, play R4. Q3 lets black get a nice approach with support from the Q16 stone.
6: I think just take the corner with R4.
8: why this one and not F17 or C14? I think if black pincers you're helping the R6 stones, which have a weird shape now.
22: I still prefer white here i think, black seems a bit confused.
24: G3 is the move here. C5 doesn't completely give you the corner, and doesn't help the bottom.
48: I'd rather see J4 or thereabouts.
In spite of these criticisms, I think white won this game rather easily.
6: I think just take the corner with R4.
8: why this one and not F17 or C14? I think if black pincers you're helping the R6 stones, which have a weird shape now.
22: I still prefer white here i think, black seems a bit confused.
24: G3 is the move here. C5 doesn't completely give you the corner, and doesn't help the bottom.
48: I'd rather see J4 or thereabouts.
In spite of these criticisms, I think white won this game rather easily.
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Re: CLIG Game
After doing a database search, I retract my complaint about 
. The large knight's play is more common, but the diagonal is played by pros also.
. The large knight's play is more common, but the diagonal is played by pros also.-
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Re: CLIG Game
Going in reverse order:
EdLee: I see why w114 was bad, I got really lucky there. I don't see the issue with 156.
Emeraldemon:
#4 is something I've had trouble with. I like to open with a 4-4 followed by a 3-4. The intention is to become familiar with these instead of doing random stuff all the time. However, I'm never sure where to put the 3-4.
#6 I'll spend some time reading out. I was afraid of an aggressive attack. I'll read it out and see if I should be worried, then if it happens again I'll be more confident.
thanks for the feedback. It was a big white victory but I still like to get reviews because at my level there are always still plenty of mistakes.
EdLee: I see why w114 was bad, I got really lucky there. I don't see the issue with 156.
Emeraldemon:
#4 is something I've had trouble with. I like to open with a 4-4 followed by a 3-4. The intention is to become familiar with these instead of doing random stuff all the time. However, I'm never sure where to put the 3-4.
#6 I'll spend some time reading out. I was afraid of an aggressive attack. I'll read it out and see if I should be worried, then if it happens again I'll be more confident.
thanks for the feedback. It was a big white victory but I still like to get reviews because at my level there are always still plenty of mistakes.
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Re: CLIG Game
Consider just the most common 3-4 joseki:
Does it feel to you like
is getting help from the black star point and working well with that stone? This sort of thing is why that 3-4 is considered not so good for white. Of course white doesn't have to play this joseki, but a good player will be able to make use of the 4-4 regardless.
On the other hand, for black a 3-4 facing white is good, because black has sente to take advantage of it:
Again this is only one way it could go, but black is able to actively use the 3-4 starting with
, so it's a different position.
Like I said before, if you want to have 4-4 and 3-4 as white, this is the better way:
Compare what happens with the same joseki:
Does it feel to you like
is getting help from the black star point and working well with that stone? This sort of thing is why that 3-4 is considered not so good for white. Of course white doesn't have to play this joseki, but a good player will be able to make use of the 4-4 regardless.On the other hand, for black a 3-4 facing white is good, because black has sente to take advantage of it:
Again this is only one way it could go, but black is able to actively use the 3-4 starting with
, so it's a different position.Like I said before, if you want to have 4-4 and 3-4 as white, this is the better way:
Compare what happens with the same joseki:
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Re: CLIG Game
At your level, I would not worry much about fine points in the opening. Your fuseki is already good enough that the game will certainly be decided by later mistakes 
That said, I do think
is a slight mistake, which got an undeserved good result after B responded passively. Go strategy is all about maximizing the efficiency of previously played stones. In this game, B has played an unusual move at P8. If B gets to use this stone to attack or to make territory on the right, it will become a good (efficient) move, while if W makes an easy base on the right side, it will become a poor (inefficient) move. So 
should certainly be a pincer, probably at R12.
should T3 to keep the entire corner. Please read this out and verify that B cannot do anything here.
is very thin and does not protect the cutting point Q11. Moreover, it looks like an attacking move against the B position below, but that group is already too strong to be affected. So what is the strategic purpose of this move?
The sequence
through 
won the game for W. B played mostly on dame and expanded his territory by only a few points, while allowing W to play useful moves which solidified more than 20 points of real territory.
That said, I do think
is a slight mistake, which got an undeserved good result after B responded passively. Go strategy is all about maximizing the efficiency of previously played stones. In this game, B has played an unusual move at P8. If B gets to use this stone to attack or to make territory on the right, it will become a good (efficient) move, while if W makes an easy base on the right side, it will become a poor (inefficient) move. So should certainly be a pincer, probably at R12. should T3 to keep the entire corner. Please read this out and verify that B cannot do anything here. is very thin and does not protect the cutting point Q11. Moreover, it looks like an attacking move against the B position below, but that group is already too strong to be affected. So what is the strategic purpose of this move?The sequence
through won the game for W. B played mostly on dame and expanded his territory by only a few points, while allowing W to play useful moves which solidified more than 20 points of real territory.-
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Re: CLIG Game
Coyote wrote:Going in reverse order:
EdLee: I see why w114 was bad, I got really lucky there. I don't see the issue with 156.
To save Ed a post -- There is a better play for W156, keep looking (=
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Re: CLIG Game
Mef wrote:Coyote wrote:Going in reverse order:
EdLee: I see why w114 was bad, I got really lucky there. I don't see the issue with 156.
To save Ed a post -- There is a better play for W156, keep looking (=
I see it -- but I won't spoil the fun (yet)
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