#171 Hyperpape vs. illluck

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Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck

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[go]$$Wm74
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . 2 1 4 . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X O 5 O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . O O X 3 . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . O . . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . 6 X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Please feel free to reject trigger.

Forcing before living. My first feeling is that white should have just cut as then I might not have time to protect lower right. However, this is still a bit too complicated for me to tell for sure.
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Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck

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[go]$$Wm80
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . O . . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Trigger:
If you atari in either direction, I will extend.
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Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck

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[go]$$Wm80
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . 2 . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . O . . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Trigger:
As below:
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[go]$$Wm80
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 1 X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . 4 . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . 2 . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . O . . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Not trigger:
Just read the trigger and was surprised that white thought I might atari. My main choices here are the empty triangle and this jump. The advantage of the empty triangle is that white's cutting stone has fewer liberties, but if white keeps extending I am still forced to keep extending so I have to play the jump here in order to avoid making white stronger. Now I expect white to extend out and force me to bamboo.
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Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck

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Obs only :
Is this sequence possible for white? :

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[go]$$Wm
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 O X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . 3 2 X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . 7 X 1 X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . 8 O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . O . 9 O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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[go]$$Bm11
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . a . O X O X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . 3 1 X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . 4 O 2 O O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . b b X X . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


a capture, b connect or live


Now that doesn't change the fact that black center is huge and very solid, so even if the sequence work, it's probably bad (unless white can kill the lower group if black let white play
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Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck

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@illuck
I doubt white's trigger was anything he thought you would play, but in the off case you did, it would speed up the game.
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Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck

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[go]$$Wm80
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . 2 . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . O . . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Unhidden: 1) I think I can do this, though it gets complicated if Black tries to resist. 2) I think if I do this, there's more interesting aji in the center. 3) I think I need that.
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Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck

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[go]$$Wm80
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . O . . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Mmm, I don't see any working sequences for white yet, but my position is looking more and more flimsy by the move XD There are too many scary/annoying sequences starting from the cut for me to list. My feeling is that I should at least get compensation at bottom if white cuts, but the centre is definitely more important.
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Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck

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illluck wrote:Mmm, I don't see any working sequences for white yet, but my position is looking more and more flimsy by the move XD
Just like illluck, I am starting to be concerned about Black's position. Perhaps White can now be clever and attach at H12:
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . O . . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The threats are the following:
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[go]$$Bcm2 The ladder is in White's favor
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O 1 . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X W . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 6 5 O X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . 4 3 X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . X 2 X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . O . . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm2 Another favorable ladder for White
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O 2 3 . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 8 7 5 X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O 6 4 . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . 1 . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . O . . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm2 White successfully invades the center
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O 2 . 4 . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . 3 . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . 1 . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . O . . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Based on these variations, perhaps Black has already made a serious mistake. However, perhaps there is a better way for Black to respond to the attachment at H12. What do you think?
Ontological imperative holds that my losses occurred only in imagination.
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Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck

Post by jts »

Intrepid, I think your variations leave white a bit short of points if b ignores. Overall, it looks like (assuming no points for either on left or in center) a dead heat and b has sente.
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Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck

Post by The Intrepid »

That might be true. Perhaps Black can play like this:
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O 3 . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , . 4 . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . O . . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Even so, if White brought this situation to a near equality with regard to points, then Black must have played sub-optimally somewhere. Black looked to have had a commanding lead some 10-20 moves ago.
Ontological imperative holds that my losses occurred only in imagination.
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Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck

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Unhidden: This will take some thought.
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[go]$$Wm84
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . 8 9 . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X 7 . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . O 2 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . 3 5 X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 4 X 6 . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . X a X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . O . . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
:b91: is the move I overlooked. It's so obviously better than the hane for Black, now that I look at the position a second time.

Given that this line doesn't work for White, I will probably have to try and make something happen around the a point. There is interesting aji, but I probably just end up dying.
Last edited by hyperpape on Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:53 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck

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Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck

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[go]$$Wm80
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 5 . . 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . O . . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Trigger:
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[go]$$W
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . O 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 5 . . 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 6 X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . O . . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Not trigger:
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[go]$$W
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . 0 . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . 9 X . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . O 7 8 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 5 . . 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 6 X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . O . . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
One way.

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[go]$$Wm80
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 O O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 O X X X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . 3 2 X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . 7 X 1 X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . 8 O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . O . 9 O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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[go]$$W
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X X X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . O X X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . 4 O X O X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . 3 2 X X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . 5 O 1 O O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
One way. Miai to capture or connect. Hardly saying this is the best. Perhaps there is some way go without burning all the forcing moves.
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Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck

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I did what I'd been afraid of doing since I started this, and opened one of your hide tags while confused.

Before closing it, I didn't see any diagrams, but saw that you said you thought there was tons of aji for your position. I have unhidden two comments of mine that seem to be about equal in import.
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Re: #171 Hyperpape vs. illluck

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$W
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . X O O O O O X O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X X X X X O O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . X 8 . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . X . . O . . O X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O . . . X X . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Don't worry about it, my comments are admittedly quite short anyways :p That unhidden comment did confuse me, though - I thought it was a trigger :p
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