#182 Nathan vs. lesenv

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[go]$$Bcm6 Prisoners: none
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The hane is an overplay because I have r14 for support, I should be able to come away with a good result in this corner.

I will attempt some more reading once I see how black responds.
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Post by Uberdude »

Hoho, this should be fun. Black's hane was an overplay but so is this cut immediately: black s17 puts white in trouble.
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For beginners,
Uberdude's :b1: hane is a natural candidate to consider (must confirm with reading)...
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[go]$$B
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$$. . . . . X O O 1 . |
$$, . . . . O X X . . |
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$$. . . . . . . O . . |
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$$. . . . . . . X . . |
$$. . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
...because locally the shape is not good for W:
(proverb: "hane at the head of two stones" -- this happens twice, :bt:, for the two :wc: stones)
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[go]$$B
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$$. . . . . Y W W Y . |
$$, . . . . O # # . . |
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$$. . . . . . . O . . |
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$$. . . . . . . X . . |
$$. . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
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Post by lesenv »

hm, i didn't see this move before.
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[go]$$Bcm6 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . 6 1 O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . 4 2 X X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 O . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

here i have the wall, his corner would be bigger
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[go]$$Bcm6 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 9 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O 5 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . 2 X X 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . 8 . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

here you get the outside, i'm small, that's no good. plus he has sente

so, i'll take the outside, white can play r15 to connect, i have to think about the next move.
first i have to make sure to get the wall. i'm curious whether this works.

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[go]$$Bcm6 Prisoners: none
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For beginners. Only move for W:
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[go]$$W
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$$. . . . . X O O . . |
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$$. . . . . . . O . . |
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$$. . . . . . . X . . |
$$. . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
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For beginners. In lesenv's second variation, lesenv missed the vital point twice.
lesenv wrote:
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[go]$$Bm6
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$$. . . . . 3 9 7 . . |
$$. . . . . 1 O O 5 . |
$$, . . . . 2 X X 6 . |
$$. . . . . 4 . 8 . . |
$$. . . . . . . O . . |
$$. . . . . . . . . . |
$$. . . . . . . X . . |[/go]
First time: :b8: at (a) instead: "hane at the head of two :white: stones":
lesenv wrote:
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[go]$$Bm6
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$$. . . . . 3 . . . . |
$$. . . . . 1 O O a . |
$$, . . . . 2 X X . . |
$$. . . . . . . . . . |
$$. . . . . . . O . . |
$$. . . . . . . . . . |
$$. . . . . . . X . . |[/go]
Second time: :w9: at (b) instead: "hane at the head of two :black: stones":
lesenv wrote:
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[go]$$Bm6
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$$. . . . . 3 . . . . |
$$. . . . . 1 O O . . |
$$, . . . . 2 X X b . |
$$. . . . . 4 . . . . |
$$. . . . . . . O . . |
$$. . . . . . . . . . |
$$. . . . . . . X . . |[/go]
Variation: even if W missed (b), at least W wants to reduce another B liberty:
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[go]$$Bm6
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$$. . . . . 3 . . . . |
$$. . . . . 1 O O . . |
$$, . . . . 2 X X . . |
$$. . . . . . 4 . . . |
$$. . . . . . . O . . |
$$. . . . . . . . . . |
$$. . . . . . . X . . |[/go]
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For beginners. In lesenv's first variation...
lesenv wrote:
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[go]$$Bm6
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . 6 1 O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . 4 2 X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
...W can still connect back to :wc: with :w1::
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[go]$$W
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X W . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
Proverb: "hane at the head of two ( :bc:) stones" -- :w1: is the same vital point (again):
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[go]$$W
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X @ @ . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O @ B B @ . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm6 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . 4 2 X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I dont think this was the best move for black, but my response is pretty straight forward.
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Nathan,
Nathan wrote:I dont think this was the best move for black, but my response is pretty straight forward.
What do you think was the best move for B?
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[go]$$Bcm10 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

hm, i stopped to think at 4, but now i think this doesn't connect to white stones
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[go]$$B Prisoners: none
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$$ . . . . . . 0 9 . . - . . . . . 1 O X . . |
$$ . . . . . X O O 7 . - . . . . . X O O X . |
$$ , . . . O O X X 4 . - , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ . . . . . X 3 2 5 8 - . . . . . X X O . O |
$$ . . . . . . 1 O 6 . - . . . . . . X O O . |
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$$ . . . . . . . X . . - . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ , . . . . . , . . . - , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm10 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X O O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ok so Ed is keeping on me about this whole malkovich thing.

I'll do my best.

So for my statement saying p15 was not ideal for b. I feel it gives white a more solid shape than before, and also leaves two weaknesses in bs shape with the cut at q15 and the hane at s16. It goes against the ole proverb of do not attack weak stones by attaching. However in defense of the move it does try to keep r14 seperated which is a good idea. Below is an embarrassing attempts at reading

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[go]$$Bcm10 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . a X O O 1 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X b . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


A seems like a conservative choice that would be a good result for w, while B would go for a kill and has some risk involved. either way i dont like bs position very well

So the other move that come to mind would be the hane at s17 which focuses on attacking whites weakness and not letting white get the corner.

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[go]$$Bcm10 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 5 7 8 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 X O O 1 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O X X 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Seems playable for black.

Attempting to explain things really makes me feel weak, and realize how very little i know.

Oh yea so now the move I am doing now, My first instinct was to play s16 it seemed to be the best way to attack black, and take the corner to settle, and all that good stuff. But then looking ahead b o17 looked really annoying. Therefore I am playing solidly and connecting my groups where I have two good follow ups at either s16 or o15.
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Re: #182 Nathan vs. lesenv

Post by lesenv »

i want to take the big point a, but first i extend to :b12:. the lonely stone would be too easy to be captured. when white blocks, then i can play the big point. if white doesn't block, later i can have a possibly capture at b.
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[go]$$Bcm12 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . a . . . . O X O O b . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
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[go]$$Bcm12 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
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Post by EdLee »

For beginners.
lesenv wrote:
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[go]$$Bm12
$$-------------------
$$. . . . . . . . . |
$$. . . 2 1 . c . . |
$$. . . O X O O b . |
$$. . . O O X X . . |
$$. . . . X . . . . |
$$. . . . . X O . . |
$$. . . . . . . . . |
$$. . . . . . X . . |
$$. . . . . . . . . |[/go]
With the above :w13:, B gets two local sente moves at (b) and (c), like this:
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[go]$$B
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$$. . . . 4 . . . . |
$$. . . O X 2 3 . . |
$$. . . O X O O 1 . |
$$. . . O O X X . . |
$$. . . . X . . . . |
$$. . . . . X O . . |
$$. . . . . . . . . |
$$. . . . . . X . . |
$$. . . . . . . . . |[/go]
Instead of :w13:, it's better for W to block the other side with :w1:, the empty triangle.
The reason: both :w13: and :w1: kill the two :bc: stones...
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[go]$$W
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$$. . . . . . . . . |
$$. . . . B 1 . . . |
$$. . . O B O O . . |
$$. . . O O X X . . |
$$. . . . X . . . . |
$$. . . . . X O . . |
$$. . . . . . . . . |
$$. . . . . . X . . |
$$. . . . . . . . . |[/go]
...but if B hanes with :b2:, then W can now block with :w3::
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[go]$$W
$$-------------------
$$. . . . . . . . . |
$$. . . . B 1 . 3 . |
$$. . . O B O O 2 . |
$$. . . O O X X . . |
$$. . . . X . . . . |
$$. . . . . X O . . |
$$. . . . . . . . . |
$$. . . . . . X . . |
$$. . . . . . . . . |[/go]
Contrast this with the original :w13:: W could not resist the same way, because :b16: captures the two :wc: stones:
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[go]$$Bm12
$$-------------------
$$. . . . . . . . . |
$$. . . 2 1 . 5 4 . |
$$. . . O X W W 3 . |
$$. . . O O X X . . |
$$. . . . X . . . . |
$$. . . . . X O . . |
$$. . . . . . . . . |
$$. . . . . . X . . |
$$. . . . . . . . . |[/go]
In addition, whether W blocks with (x = :w13:) or (y = :w1:) affects the W(z) connection to :wt::
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[go]$$B
$$-------------------
$$. . . . . . . . . |
$$. . . x 1 y . . . |
$$. . . O X O O . . |
$$. . . O O X X z . |
$$. . . . X . . . . |
$$. . . . . X Q . . |
$$. . . . . . . . . |
$$. . . . . . X . . |
$$. . . . . . . . . |[/go]
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Re: #182 Nathan vs. lesenv

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Is there a reason white shouldn't capture with the ladder, like so?
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[go]$$Bcm10 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]
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Post by EdLee »

skydyr,
skydyr wrote:Is there a reason white shouldn't capture with the ladder, like so?
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[go]$$Bm10
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]
Excellent question. I also wondered about the ladder versus :w11: in the real game.
Pro move is your ladder capture. :)
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