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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

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Is this better for w than just connecting?
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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

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@jts: Not sure. I just expected white to connect and then black r11, white n13, then probably black double approach at f17. This way white saved r10 but black got very thick in the centre, I think black gained.

I might have just answered q11 at r11. Yes black gets a nice wall but at least you live on the side with 5+ points. Jumping out to p13 shows nice fighting spirit, resisting black's plan, but I'm not sure it's better: although you aren't sealed in the side, killing r10 is quite some profit and your group is still weak despite being out.

Maybe white 32 is a mistake, better to just connect at 34 and if the same sequences happen it's better kept in reserve. This way there's a weakness at r12. But maybe black would connect there, the white stone there does have a lot of aji.
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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoners: none
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

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[go]$$Wcm40 Prisoners: none
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: none
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 X X . . . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . X . . O O X . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

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@Magicwand:

I don't understand the point of your moves. It looks like you are just playing dame while you're opponent builds influence. Are you planning something?
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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

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@Splatted/Obs
Splatted wrote:@Magicwand:

I don't understand the point of your moves. It looks like you are just playing dame while you're opponent builds influence. Are you planning something?


Possibly some fun in the corner later (black p16 is big to fix):

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X 1 3 . 9 |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X . O . O 4 2 X 5 8 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . X . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 6 . . . . . . X . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Splatted wrote:@Magicwand:

I don't understand the point of your moves. It looks like you are just playing dame while you're opponent builds influence. Are you planning something?

Splatted:
no plan...i am getting my ass kicked left and right.
:)
i will have to spend some more time before making my move...
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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 6 . . . . . . X . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . 7 . . . . . . . . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O 8 . . . . . X . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

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Uberdude wrote:@Splatted/Obs
Splatted wrote:@Magicwand:

I don't understand the point of your moves. It looks like you are just playing dame while you're opponent builds influence. Are you planning something?


Possibly some fun in the corner later (black p16 is big to fix):

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X 1 3 . 9 |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X . O . O 4 2 X 5 8 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . X . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Obs:
I agree with 'Dude that there are some interesting questions left in the upper right - for both sides. However, going back a bit, I think :w30: was wildly optimistic on MW's part. I imagine that he was feeling so good about the previous moves that he got careless and did not seriously consider what would happen after the quite natural :b31: through :b35: in the game.

:w1: below was well timed, but after :b2: shouldn't White just connect with :w3: and leave "a" for later?
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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 3 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X a . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . 2 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . X . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O 8 . . . . . X . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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