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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

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E16
I lost points but I still think I am ahead
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The greater the unknown"

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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

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@lovelove
It's been a while since you posted your thoughts about the individual moves or about the position in general. Share with us, mere mortals, your wisdom, o mighty one. :bow:
Ontological imperative holds that my losses occurred only in imagination.
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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

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[go]$$Wcm50 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 1 X . . . X . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . X . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Now white's E16 group is not settled, I'll attack and profit. This is a very good chance to use my thickness on the center to attack.
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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

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F17
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The greater the unknown"

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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

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[go]$$Bc Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . a b . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . X . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . X . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

A is more common way nowadays. B is seen more in classic games.

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[go]$$Bc Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 . . . b . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . X . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . X . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . c X a . . . . . . . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

White can push out A or B. A because :b1: reduces bad aji of C, so White can now push without losing much. But if Black otherway...

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[go]$$Bc Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . b . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . d O O X . . . X . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . X . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . c X a . . . . . . . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

White is reluctant to play A directly because it's ajikeshi around C/D. Therefore, White will usually play B now. Later, because of :b1: :

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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . 2 1 O O X . . . X . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 X O O . . . . . X . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . 5 3 X a b . . . . . . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . 7 4 . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . Q . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

There's good aji. For example, if :b6:, then :w7: will work good with bottom corner stone moving out and White can get free move A or B to help move into center if it become dangerous moyo. Or:

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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 X . . O . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . 2 1 O O X . . . X . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . X . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . 5 3 X a b . . . . . . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . 6 4 . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . Q . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

White capture corner, still maintain A/B.

White must also not be worried about this move:
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[go]$$Bc Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O 1 . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . X . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . X . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 4 . b . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O X . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X 1 5 . X . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . a . . . X . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Miai to capture. Or if Black try to fight...
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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . e . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . d X . . O X . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . 6 5 O O X 1 4 . X . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O c . . . . X . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . 9 7 X a b . . . . . . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . f 8 . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

White will activate aji. Many options for White. (Black must be careful of concentration in this fight.)

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[go]$$Wc Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O X . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X 2 . . X . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . X . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

:w1: is also common reply this hane. Black will probably around :b2: here or tenuki.
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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . 2 . . . . 3 . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . X . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . X . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

white now has two unsettled groups
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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . . X . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . X . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . X . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

my first impression of his move: something dont look right. i will try to find the sequence to make it wrong...
so let me probe.
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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . . X . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . X . O . O . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . X . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Why did he play there? P8 does nothing imho.
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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

Post by lesenv »

lovelove,
why do you reply locally, when you don't know what p8 does. did you read that there was a threat somewhere?
it's all above my head, but i try to understand.

magicwand,
do you read some possible answers to your probe, or do you play this instinctivly?
i try to manage the understand the concept of a probe.
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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . . X . O X X . . . . |
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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

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lesenv:
my probe was to cover the weakness at "a"
since he answered it ...probe did work. his atari is not something i worry about..it is very small..

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I understand neither how the probe fixed the weakness, nor how ignoring that atari isn't a major loss in the corner.
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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

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jts wrote:
I understand neither how the probe fixed the weakness, nor how ignoring that atari isn't a major loss in the corner.


I will share my puny 5k thoughts on the second one.

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:b3: just invites white to fix his bad aji by capturing at a or b

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:w2: saves the stone but white is still left with bad aji; Black can reduce further by playing a, so in terms of corner territory, there's not much difference.

Edit: I'm not saying it's a good idea to play a or that that's the best use of the aji. It's just an example.

Edit2: I'm not sure R6 isn't important as a cutting stone though...
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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

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lesenv wrote:lovelove,
why do you reply locally, when you don't know what p8 does. did you read that there was a threat somewhere?
it's all above my head, but i try to understand.


When I don't reply, my Q6 and R7 group are not connected, maybe he can do something with my center stones. S6 also helps isolating center white stones.
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