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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

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[go]$$Bcm81 white : 1 black : 0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . . X O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . X X O O X O . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . X O X O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . O X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . 8 X O . . O O . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

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[go]$$Bcm81 white : 1 black : 0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . . X O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . X X O O X O . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . X O X O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . O X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . 8 X O . . O O . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . 9 O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

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[go]$$Bcm81 white : 1 black : 1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . . X O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . X X O O X O . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . X O X O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . O X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . 0 . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . O O . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

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[go]$$Wcm90 white : 1 black : 1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . . X O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . X X O O X O . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . X O X O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . O X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . 1 . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . O O . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | . 2 X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm90 white : 1 black : 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . . X O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . X X O O X O . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . X O X O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . O X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . O O . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . 1 O X X X . . . . . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

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[go]$$Bcm91 white : 1 black : 1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . . X O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . X X O O X O . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . X O X O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . O X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 X . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . O O . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm91 white : 1 black : 1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . . X O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . X X O O X O . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . X O X O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . O X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 B . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . . . . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . O O . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

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[go]$$Bcm91 white : 1 black : 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . . X O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . X X O O X O . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . X O X O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . O X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 X . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . 3 . . O . . . . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . O O . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

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[go]$$Bcm91 white : 1 black : 1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . . X O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . X X O O X O . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . X O X O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . O X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 X . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . O O . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm91 white : 1 black : 1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . . X O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . X X O O X O . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . X O X O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . O X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X 5 . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . O . . . . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . O O . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

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for magicwand
How do you evaluate the board right now? What do you see as equal, unfavourable, and good for you? You make a lot of references to being ahead or behind, but I'm not sure I see it.
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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

Post by lovelove »

For observers
This is my first time doing a Malkovich game, and this is sooo hard! I usually play moves from my feel. I do read (moves) of course but that is just a confirmation process in most cases.

My lack of go knowledge is also a problem here. I started to study some fuseki books from a month ago and that is all. There aren't many good go books here in Korea, the English go books are actually better in quality because they're usually translated version of Japanese books. Japanese pros are weak at playing go but they are very good at writing books.

"The best games seem to occur when each player takes the time to fully explain his reasoning. Often this is done at a pace of one move per day. IMHO, rushed games are far less useful for the observers." Joaz Banbeck wrote this somewhere here, and I am now making this game "far less useful". I will of course try harder explaining my moves from now, yeah... I think I need to. Yes I will, but... yes :roll:
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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

Post by daal »

Lovelove:

Everyone has their own style - both their go style and their explaining style. I would indeed like to hear more of what's on your mind during the game, but I don't think it's necessary that you "fully explain" your reasoning. If you look at some of the other Malkovitch games, you'll see that some people use lots of diagrams where others mostly talk about their gut feelings. More is not necessarily better.
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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

Post by hyperpape »

For lovelove
Even simple thoughts are useful. Do you think you're ahead? Behind? What do you need to do to win? Which points are you aiming at? Justifications are also great, but those questions are the ones that make us feel like we're in your head.
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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

Post by lovelove »

My thoughts of the current board situaion, for observers
I am ahead for sure, at least more than 30 points in territory.
The center is impossible to count now, but Magicwand is more thicker on the center after the big trade, so this may give him additional points.

I am aiming for a safe 5~10 points win, so from now I will set my direction to defense and solidity.
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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

Post by Splatted »

Both players think they are ahead, but what do the observers think? From my perspective black seems to have a pretty comfortable lead.
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Re: Magicwand vs Lovelove

Post by The Intrepid »

By my (quick) count, Black is ahead by about 15 points. However, there are lots of big endgame moves. More importantly, though, there is a big fight going on in the middle. If either of the players loses a group there, they will lose the game. Lots more fun ahead. :)
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[go]$$Bcm91 white : 1 black : 1
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$$ | . . . c . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . . X O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X O . X X O O X O . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . X O X O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . X a . . . . O . O X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . d . . . . . W . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . W B B . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . W . . . . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O . . X X W . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . O . . W W . B . . . . . X O b . |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . O . . O O X . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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