#181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)

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[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoners: :b100: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . W O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X . O 1 X O O X , X X . |
$$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'll take gote to take this point, because not only is it at least reverse sente, it also changes the status of all these stones in the middle:

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[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoners: :b100: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . X X X O . b . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . B W X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X . W 1 X O O X , X X . |
$$ | X . X O X O O X . X W . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . X . a . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Now I have a nice followup at "a", and the capture at "b" is sente if White tenukis now.


EDIT:

I can now also aim at this ko:

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[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoners: :b100: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O 3 . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | O O . O . . . 4 O 5 O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . W O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X . O 1 X O O X , X X . |
$$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Or, if I get that move in my previous sequence in the top left:


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[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoners: :b100: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X B . . . . . . . . X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 3 O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | O O . O 2 4 5 . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . |
$$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoners: :b100: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . 3 . . . . . . X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X 2 X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . W O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X . O 1 X O O X , X X . |
$$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . 3 . . . . . 4 X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X 2 X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . W O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X . O 1 X O O X , X X . |
$$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoners: :b100: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . 3 . . . . 7 4 X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X 2 X . . X . O 5 X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . W O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X . O 1 X O O X , X X . |
$$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If you want to accept :)
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[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . 3 . . . . 7 4 X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X 2 X . . X . O 5 X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . W O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X . O 1 X O O X , X X . |
$$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X 8 . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i did quick count and i am down few points... i will make something happen here.
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[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . 3 . . . . 7 4 X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X 2 X . . X . O 5 X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . W O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X . O 1 X O O X , X X . |
$$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . 9 . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X 8 . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Time to test all that reading earlier ..
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i can not live by itself. but after below...how is he going to answer???? it is still a fight.... and i have nothing to lose. it is a fight and i think whit will win this. (but i am not sure)
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[go]$$Bcm151 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . |
$$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . 1 X . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . O |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X 2 . 5 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 3 4 . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm141 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . 3 . . . . 7 4 X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X 2 X . . X . O 5 X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . W O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X . O 1 X O O X , X X . |
$$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . . 9 . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X 8 . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . 0 |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm151 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . |
$$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . 1 X . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . O |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Tell me this is at best a J group :(
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[go]$$Bcm151 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . |
$$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . 1 X . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . O |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)

Post by topazg »

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[go]$$Bcm151 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . |
$$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . 1 X . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . O |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X 2 . 5 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 4 . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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I've been doing some reading. The good news is, it's a J group. The bad news is, it's ko. I had completely forgotten I need to be able to ignore his hane on the other side (at :w56: ), as a result, I need to think very carefully about my :b57: after counting ko threats. At least I have some reasonable ones, but so does he.
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Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm151 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . |
$$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . 1 X . |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . O |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X 2 . 5 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 C 4 . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm151 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . |
$$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O . . |
$$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . 1 X 7 |
$$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . O |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X 2 . 5 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 C 4 . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Did I misread? Did magicwand? Is this now a dead J? Can anyone help?
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Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)

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@topzag
What did you expect Magicwand to play?
Ontological imperative holds that my losses occurred only in imagination.
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Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)

Post by Uberdude »

@topazg et al

Yes, Magicwand screwed up. With the hane on the right the J group is a ko. He could also have made a ko by descending instead of making the hanging connection to make a straight J group. He could also make a less good ko after the hanging connection by playing 52 at s3. Instead he died.

Graham, before Magicwand started action in this corner what did you think the status was?
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