#181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:15 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm161 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O O . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . X X X | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . 8 6 X X O . | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O 1 . X O 9 O | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X 7 5 X O . . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X O 4 X O . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X 2 O . O . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Turns out I have one better than I thought here. This throw-in is normal for killing the J group, making miai of T3 and T5, but here I feared it gave magicwand an unnecessary ko in exchange for losing one more liberty, and I hate ko fights with this guy. However, it turns out that it just gives me a bunch of extra liberties as White not only has to capture now, but also to respond inside on the next move as well:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm171 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O O . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . X X X | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . O O X X O 1 | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O X . X O C O | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X X X X O W a | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X O O X O . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . O . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If Black plays "a" next there's no ko and White has to connect, so White's most likely to play "a" himself and leave the ko, but at the same time that reduces it to a 3 space eye rather than a 5 space bulky five, which gains a massive amount in the liberty fight. I'm assuming we'll end up with something like this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm171 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O O . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . X X X | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . O O X X O 1 | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O a O X . X O . O | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X X X X O O 2 | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X O . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X 5 4 C O . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

With

at the circled point. It also makes me much happier about playing things like "a" for sente points without worrying about liberties, but to be honest, if I have sente, I'm going back to the top left.

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:47 am

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topazg · Post by **topazg** » Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:05 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm171 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O O . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . X X X | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . O O X X O 1 | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O X . X O C O | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . X X X X O O . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X O O X O . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . O . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:58 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm171 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O O . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . X X X | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . O O X X O 1 | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O X . X O C O | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O 2 X X X X O O . | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X O O X O . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . O . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Wed Nov 21, 2012 12:12 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm171 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O O . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . . X X X | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . O O X X O 1 | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O X . X O 4 O | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O 2 X X X X O O 3 | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X O O X O . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O 5 O . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If you agree

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:02 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm171 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O O . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . 8 X X X | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . O O X X O 1 | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O X . X O 4 O | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O 2 X X X X O O 3 | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X O . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X 7 6 5 O . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:06 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm171 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O O . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . O X X X | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . O O X X O X | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O X . X O O O | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O O X X X X O O X | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X O . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X C 9 O . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:22 pm

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:54 pm

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Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:15 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm181 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 W . O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . . X O X . . X . O X X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O O . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . O X X X | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . O O X X O X | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O X . X O O O | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O O X X X X O O X | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X O . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X 2 C O . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:30 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm181 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 W . O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . 3 X O X . . X . O X X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . . . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O O . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . O X X X | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . O O X X O X | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O X . X O O O | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O O X X X X O O X | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X O . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X 2 C O . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Wed Nov 21, 2012 7:18 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm181 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 W . O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . 3 X O X . . X . O X X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . 4 . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O O . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . O X X X | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . O O X X O X | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O X . X O O O | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O O X X X X O O X | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X O . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X 2 C O . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Wed Nov 21, 2012 7:19 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm181 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . . . . X O X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . 3 X O X . . X . O X X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . 4 . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O O . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . O X X X | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . O O X X O X | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O X . X O O O | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O O X X X X O O X | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X O . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X C 5 O . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Magicwand · Post by **Magicwand** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:04 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm181 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . O . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X 6 . . . X O X O O . O . | $$ | . . O . 3 X O X . . X . O X X . O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . | $$ | O O . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . | $$ | X . O . . . . X X O . . O X O . . . . | $$ | X . . . . X X X O . 4 . . O O . . . . | $$ | . . O O X . O X . X O X X X O . . . . | $$ | . X X O O O O X . O X X O O X , X X . | $$ | X . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . | $$ | O X X X X X X X . X . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . O . . . O O O . O O . | $$ | O X X X . O X . . . . . . . . O X X X | $$ | . O O . . . . O . . . . . O O X X O X | $$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O X . X O O O | $$ | . X X . . O . O . X O O X X X X O O X | $$ | . . . . X X O . . . . O X . . X O . X | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X C 5 O . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:03 am

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