#186 - topazg vs. skydyr

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Hmm... that also went according to plan. This always leaves me wondering if my opponent is going along because my plan is not very good. I didn't mention it before, but the ladder from white cutting below :b3: 3 just misses the white stone on J4, so I may have some decisions to make later. I don't think that :b3: is terribly important, though, so I could just sacrifice it for forcing moves to strengthen the black group.

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I'm debating a bit between the two marked points. I would like to take the top right first, as it is the last big move of the opening. After that, the middle game should start in earnest. As I discussed earlier, it is if not sente, at least threatening.

On the other hand, if black comes out, white doesn't have time to take the big point until the lower left is somewhat settled.

Enh... let's go with the tedomari

I think white might play one of these locally, or tenuki:
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Yeah, that's pretty big. I'll probe here to see what Black does, before following up with some of my plans
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This is a classic probe of the shimari to see if black wants to make corner territory or take the outside. There are 4 or so local options:

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$$ | . O X , . . . . .
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A and D generally lead to white sacrificing the probe to make shape with forcing moves. C claims the outside while giving white the option of living inside with a tripod group. B claims the corner and reduces aji so that white can't force as easily.

I mentioned earlier that I thought black 35 removed some of the aji from the probe, so I'm going to play the solid option B. I think white will have a hard time getting much out of that stone due to the additional close support, and if white does make it live, I will welcome the thickness to make a big top right moyo.
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$$ | . . X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 O 3 . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
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Ok, now to try and collect some points. This increases the size of the corner directly, and either allows me to swallow up that stone, or alternatively he may choose to run. In which case, I hope to reduce the left side's influence and gain enough strength to invade the lower side as well.
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$$ | . . X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 O 3 . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . |
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$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 8 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Good! White is spending moves removing some of his aji, which means I have sente again. These are all points I would like to get in the near future, though I doubt I can get them all:

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Here's my current plan:
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$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O 0 . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 X . 5 7 8 X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 1 . . 4 3 6 9 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . B . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . B . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . 0 9 O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X W 6 5 3 X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . 7 4 1 2 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . O . . . , . . . . . , X 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 O 3 . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . 0 . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 8 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Really? That was an unexpected response...
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$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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This was my first feeling, but it starts a giant fight and weakens black's bottom right group. I think black is ahead on the board right now, so complications are not what is needed.
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$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . M 0 B W . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O 9 O . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . 1 2 6 X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . 5 . 3 4 7 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This isn't independantly alive:
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . , . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . W . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O 9 0 B . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X 4 3 7 8 X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . 5 2 1 6 M . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This seems to be the best that I can get, but at least it's sente.

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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . , . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O . . . . . . X . 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . 6 5 3 X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . 4 1 2 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . , . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'll take that as forcing for now, and play in this corner whilst it's there
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I just noticed my diagram had an error, so here's a correction:

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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . , . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Does that affect your choice of move?
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No :)
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Didn't think so, but I wanted to make sure.

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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . , . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . 3 2 . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I briefly considered blocking on the other side to be able to attack that side group with a placement, but that seems rather foolish a trade. It's a bit small now, but white owes a move on the left bottom at some point.
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . , . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O , . . . . . X 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . 3 2 . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . , . . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . 5 . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O , . . . . . X 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . 3 2 . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I feel like we skipped over the middle game entirely.
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . , 6 . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . 5 . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O , . . . . . X 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . 3 2 . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think White's doing fairly well for points now. We both want to get back to the bottom - I'm particularly aiming at the following:

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[go]$$Wcm48 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . , O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . 6 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O 4 5 . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . 9 2 3 X 8 . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . X 1 7 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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[go]$$Wcm48 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . , O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . 5 4 2 X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . 3 X 1 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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