#186 - topazg vs. skydyr

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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: :b1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . 4 O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X 3 . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O 2 . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X . . . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . 6 . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . 5 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Good choice of move by Black.
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Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr

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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: :b1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . 4 O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X 3 . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O 2 . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X . 7 . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . 6 . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . 5 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I may as well peep.
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: :b1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . 4 O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X 3 . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O 2 . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X 8 7 . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . 6 . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . 5 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: :b1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . 4 O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X 3 . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O 2 . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X 8 7 . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . 6 . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . 5 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think I can win without invading the corner, and all its diciness.
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: :b1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 0 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . 4 O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X 3 . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O 2 . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X 8 7 . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . 6 . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . 5 . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Mmm, I really want sente for that left side ...
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[go]$$Bcm81 Prisoners: :b1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Trying to do all the big edge stuff in sente, instead of grabbing for extra points in gote.
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[go]$$Bcm81 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


That awful strategic decision and tactical placement of the reduction cost me from 10+ points ahead to about 5-10 points behind in the end - skydyr played it well. I need to pick some of my own big points now. I have a few tricks up my sleeve at least, we'll just have to see if it's enough.
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[go]$$Bcm81 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The reason you want to play thick and solid is so your opponent doesn't have endgame moves like this one left to play against you.
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[go]$$Bcm81 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O 4 . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Aiming at some nice aji - my corner stone isn't useless yet:

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[go]$$Bcm81 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . 0 6 . 8 . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X 7 X 9 . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O 4 . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm81 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O 4 . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 6 . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O 4 . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Sente battles...
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[go]$$Bcm81 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 6 . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . . . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O 4 . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . 5 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think this has better follow ups than his move.
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 6 . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . X O . . 8 . , X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . . . |
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Re: #186 - topazg vs. skydyr

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[go]$$Bcm81 Prisoners: :b1:
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$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 6 . . X . . . . X . X . . |
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$$ | . . O O X . . . . X . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . O . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X O . O O . O 4 . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 X . . . X O O . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X O X . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . O . O O O O . O . . . . . X O O . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . O . O X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . X X . . . . . . 5 7 . . |
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If you connect, I'll take S4.
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