Influence in go

[oren]

Thanks, Bill! This has been interesting to follow.

[RobertJasiek]

Influence needs to be corrected for overconcentration.

This can be done by considering both influence and efficiency.

[topazg]

Given the final result, the estimation of -9.3 seems too big for White.

I'm following this with some interest, but I do have an observation of concern on this statement (and others like it) - Without access to the discussions between professionals on the game in question, how do we know that this isn't an accurate assumption, where White's theoretical advantage was slowly removed by suboptimal play?

I think that we can trust pro play more than we can trust the estimates.

True, but slightly off the point

My point is that your estimation was not at the end of the game. Pros would be the first to admit that their play isn't perfect, and that dropping back from an even position to a 10 point loss is by no means unreasonable, even if it was over a single poor decision between your template point and the end. There are lots of games with pro commentaries, and it may be that this game was considered dead even at the point you predicted it would be, so to make the assumption that the end of the game being a 10 point difference means your mid-game estimate was off seems unjustified, that's all

[david_gfe_games]

Bill,

You mentioned your paper (Influence in Go) at the Symposium in August. All I can find is the link back to this thread. Are you papers available for download?

[msgreg]

Bill,

You mentioned your paper (Influence in Go) at the Symposium in August. All I can find is the link back to this thread. Are you papers available for download?

If you found links back to this thread, you may have already found the link to the video at the Go Symposium website by clicking on the video link in the menu. Bill's is session 5.

[Bill Spight]

Bill,

You mentioned your paper (Influence in Go) at the Symposium in August. All I can find is the link back to this thread. Are you papers available for download?

Well, the Power Point presentation is it. No paper. As for my other papers, I do not have web site right now. Check MSRI or Martin Mueller's site.