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Re: #187 lovelove vs Marcus

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$$ | . . . X 5 . . . . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , O X . . . , . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X O X O . . . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . O X X O . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . X X X O O X . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X X X O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . O . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

:scratch:
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Re: #187 lovelove vs Marcus

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@lovelove:
lovelove wrote::scratch:

Is this a 'what is he thinking?' or 'what do I do from here?'
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Re: #187 lovelove vs Marcus

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[go]$$Wcm71 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O 6 . . . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , O X . . . , . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X O X O . . . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . O X X O . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . X X X O O X . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X X X O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . O . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Yes, I've just sacrificed my corner, more or less. I wonder if it'll turn out to be worth it? Need to watch my weak groups.
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Re: #187 lovelove vs Marcus

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . 7 O X . . . , . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X O X O . . . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . O X X O . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . X X X O O X . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X X X O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . O . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


skydyr wrote:@lovelove:
lovelove wrote: :scratch:

Is this a 'what is he thinking?' or 'what do I do from here?'

:scratch: = I'm in trouble
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Re: #187 lovelove vs Marcus

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this should be first.
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$$ | . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . C O X . . . , . . . X O O X . . |
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$$ | . . . . O X X O . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . X X X O O X . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X X X O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . O . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Re: #187 lovelove vs Marcus

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This is tough. I need to think a bit. I'll make my move tomorrow. Sorry for the delay.

Is E18 good enough? What if he plays F18 afterwards? Can I keep my stones safe and kill the left? Need to read a bit more.
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Re: #187 lovelove vs Marcus

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[go]$$Wcm71 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . , . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X O X O . . . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . O X X O . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . X X X O O X . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X X X O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . O . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This required a lot of reading to make sure lovelove couldn't turn this into a blowout win for White. He will likely live in the corner, as I have to keep an eye on all 3 of my separated groups (C13, F17 and H13). I think my reading is sound, but there are so many variations that I don't really have much of an idea what branches he'll play.

There are a number of places in my reading where I needed to pay attention to surrounding stones, like the one at O8. If he gets the chance to drive my H13 group towards that stone, he'll have a won game just from that. Because of this, I think he'll be able to live with his H14/G15 stones (or a group near that area using the aji of those stones). That being said, I'll have plenty of opportunity soon enough to concentrate on reading that particular fight out, depending on the choices he makes in this fight.
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Re: #187 lovelove vs Marcus

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 9 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . , . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X O X O . . . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . O X X O . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . X X X O O X . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X X X O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . O . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: #187 lovelove vs Marcus

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[go]$$Wcm71 Prisoners:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . , . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X O X O . . . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . O X X O . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . X X X O O X . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X X X O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . O . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I can predict the plan my opponent will likely try, now. He's going to try and attack my C13 group to see if he can save the White stones at C10. At least, that's what it looks like. It's a complicated fight, though. My line of defense depends on his next few moves.
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Re: #187 lovelove vs Marcus

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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoners: :b1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . O X . . . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . , . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X O X O . . . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . O X X O . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . X X X O O X . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . X X X O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . O . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I don't know why he removed his aji by himself, but still a hard game for me.
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Re: #187 lovelove vs Marcus

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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O X . . . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . , . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X O X O . . . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . O X X O . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . X X X O O X . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 2 . X X X O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . O . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I really hope I haven't missed something in this line. :mrgreen:
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Re: #187 lovelove vs Marcus

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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O X . . . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . , . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X O X O . . . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . O X X O . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . X X X O O X . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 O . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X X O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . O . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Huh?!
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Re: #187 lovelove vs Marcus

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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O X . . . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . , . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X O X O . . . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . O X X O . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . X X X O O X . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X X O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 4 . X . O X O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . O . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I suppose I'm forcing the game to a critical point. I believe I can kill the C10 group, which solves all of my weak group problems. That being said, my most recent reading ends in a ko, so this may not be as clean as I'd like.

That being said, I want to test my reading, see if there was anything I missed. Bring it on, lovelove! ;)
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Re: #187 lovelove vs Marcus

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O X . . . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . , . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X O X O . . . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . O X X O . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . X X X O O X . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X X X O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . 5 X . X . O X O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O O . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . O . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Hmm...
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Re: #187 lovelove vs Marcus

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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O X . . . X . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . , . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X O X O . . . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . O X X O . . . . . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . X X X O O X . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . X O O O X X . X . . . . . . . . . |
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Still within what I've read out. It's when we eventually deviate from the lines I see that I'll start to get worried.
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