EdLee
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by EdLee Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:22 pm
For beginners. Phelan wrote: I'll try not to put
in too much danger...
In Phelan's variations, notice all the
Broken Shapes for Black (
was damaged in all 3 cases ):
Phelan wrote: $$Bm11
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bm11$$m11
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$m11 $$Bm11
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bm11
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by EdLee Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:30 pm
For beginners. Phelan wrote: There's a cut at 'a' here, but
keeps me from worrying.
$$Bm11
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bm11There is no cut at (a) -- can you see why? -- and
has nothing to do with it.
dumbrope
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by dumbrope Sat Dec 08, 2012 11:57 pm
$$Bcm11 Prisoners: none
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Phelan
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by Phelan Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:22 pm
$$Bcm11 Prisoners: none
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dumbrope
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by dumbrope Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:07 pm
$$Bcm11 Prisoners: none
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Broken shape.
$$Bcm11 Prisoners: none
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Phelan
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by Phelan Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:55 am
$$Bcm11 Prisoners: none
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Still as per the sequence I talked about previously.
Now he has choice of arena, though. Lots of things are possible. Two things I can see below:
$$Bcm11 Two possibilities
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm11 Two possibilities
skydyr
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by skydyr Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:49 am
Phelan wrote: Still as per the sequence I talked about previously.
Now he has choice of arena, though. Lots of things are possible. Two things I can see below:
$$Bcm11 Two possibilities
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm11 Two possibilitiesThis is a case of urgent points before big points.
The turn at L15 looks gigantic. It limits black's expansion, threatens to break in and render black's wall useless, and indirectly attacks black's top-side group. The other urgent point seems to be G17, which may induce white L15 anyways. If white can get black's group running, he can use the attack as an opportunity to build a wall facing directly into black's moyo and limiting it severely.
dumbrope
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by dumbrope Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:38 am
$$Bcm11 Prisoners: none
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It's tempting to play
as it's the shape move, but I think black might treat the marked stone lightly and skip out. So if I'm going attack I might as well go after the whole group.
$$Wcm1 Prisoners: none
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Phelan
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by Phelan Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:30 am
Sorry for the delay. Got kind of caught up on other endeavors.
$$Bcm21 Prisoners: none
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by skydyr Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:26 am
Phelan wrote: No sequences here, just my intentions: I'm more interested in keeping a possible foil to his possible moyo on the left than in settling my group locally. I don't mind losing some of the J17-L17 stones in the process.
Um... there is no moyo on the left, but running with those stones may allow white to create one.
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by dumbrope Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:59 pm
$$Bcm21 Prisoners: none
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by Phelan Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:39 pm
$$Bcm21 Prisoners: none
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I don't get it. No comment from his part? Does he think I'm going to answer that at K17?
His move seems be a sort of peep(although a whole group peep, instead of single stone) against my top group.
It makes me want to play D15. Sadly, it's easily cut.
$$Bcm21 What I want to play here, and why it doesn't work
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm21 What I want to play here, and why it doesn't workIf this happens I get two weak groups. That would leave me way too behind.
So I think I'm just going to use my one weak group and increase my moyo.
$$Bcm21 Something like this?
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm21 Something like this?This has a few cutting points, but I don't think they'd be too bad.
Phelan
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by Phelan Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:31 pm
Does anyone know dumbrope in person? I'm getting worried, I sent him a PM when he was taking long to play, and I don't think he's even logged in to check it.
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by The Intrepid Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:36 pm
He was probably occupied with all the holiday activities. In fact, if he's Orthodox Christian, then the holidays have not even finished for him, yet (the calendar differs by 2 weeks). I'd wait a few more weeks before getting seriously worried that he is not coming back.
Ontological imperative holds that my losses occurred only in imagination.
Phelan
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by Phelan Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:56 am
Ah, thanks, I wasn't aware.
was damaged in all 3 cases ):
keeps me from worrying.
as it's the shape move, but I think black might treat the marked stone lightly and skip out. So if I'm going attack I might as well go after the whole group.
