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by otenki Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:46 pm
I'm going to think about this for a night
Observers:
I think it is an overplay but I'm not sure. I'll try to memorise the situation and try to read it out in my head when going to sleep tonight
I should have an answer by tomorrow
(gmt+1)
Cheers,
Otenki
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by otenki Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:49 am
$$cm51 Captured stones: White 0, Black 2
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by DeFlow Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:43 am
$$cm51 Captured stones: White 0, Black 2
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by otenki Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:34 am
Thats ok deflow, i know what that is like
$$cm61 Captured stones: White 0, Black 2
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by DeFlow Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:36 am
$$cm61 Captured stones: White 0, Black 2
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by otenki Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:46 am
$$cm61 Captured stones: White 0, Black 2
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by DeFlow Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:28 am
$$cm61 Captured stones: White 0, Black 2
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by skydyr Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:58 am
EDIT: irrelevant
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by otenki Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:39 am
$$cm61 Captured stones: White 0, Black 2
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by DeFlow Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:58 am
$$cm61 Captured stones: White 0, Black 2
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by Marcus Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:17 pm
I don't see life. Do you see life?
For beginners: This general shape is called an L-group, and it is dead.
Here's the basic shape. The two marked stones
and
make no difference. This is a good shape to study as it does come up in games quite often, I find:
$$cm61
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by skydyr Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:33 pm
Marcus wrote: I don't see life. Do you see life?
For beginners: This general shape is called an L-group, and it is dead.
Here's the basic shape. The two marked stones
and
make no difference. This is a good shape to study as it does come up in games quite often, I find:
$$cm61
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$cm61The other problem is that DeFlow just made a bulky 5, instead of protecting the vital point at B18. I think white could at least have gotten a ko from bent 4 in the corner from that.
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by EdLee Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:02 pm
DeFlow wrote: $$cm61
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No.
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by otenki Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:04 pm
$$cm61 Captured stones: White 0, Black 2
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by Marcus Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:17 pm
skydyr wrote:
Marcus wrote: I don't see life. Do you see life?
For beginners: This general shape is called an L-group, and it is dead.
Here's the basic shape. The two marked stones
and
make no difference. This is a good shape to study as it does come up in games quite often, I find:
$$cm61
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$cm61Nope, B18 is still dead, even with
and
missing.
The other problem is that DeFlow just made a bulky 5, instead of protecting the vital point at B18. I think white could at least have gotten a ko from bent 4 in the corner from that.
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and 
make no difference. This is a good shape to study as it does come up in games quite often, I find: