#194 Skydyr versus DeFlow

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There isn't really much choice here.
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After a bit of meditation and a cup of tea, I decided to play a more severe move then the hane.
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If white makes this move (14), I think I can still cut, if he plays 14 elsewhere, you can see the cut just flat out captures white.

So, white will have to defend, or we'll have a nice brawl.
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This seems like an overplay. I'm trying to decide if I can safely extend at the marked point. I see something like this:

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Well, this spiraled out of control quickly. I must admit I'm not entirely sure how this will turn out. This seems to put pressure on the corner while extending white's liberties.
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Have to save these stones in order to counterattack either the corner or the centre group.
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If white had played the hane earlier, the threat of this two stone edge squeeze would withhold him from playing the atari anyway, so I guess jumping is correct. If Sky would hane now, I can still push at R2 threatening life.

All in all, it feels like I am already ahead in this game. Although it has no eyeshape, I like how my wall in the middle extends over the board. It will not get me any big points, but I've reached my goal: Preventing white from getting a huge wall facing his E4 stone.
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Re: #194 Skydyr versus DeFlow

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Re: #194 Skydyr versus DeFlow

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Looks like my corner may be able to make the comb formation even if white gets the first move, so it is unconditionally alive. I kind of want to play R2, because it is sente for my opponent, but if Skydyr is smart he will just extend on the bottom and give me the stone.

Because of this, I feel like making some shape for my wall. Of course, I could just play the last open corner, but I don't feel comfortable with this long string of stones with no shape to speak of. It's not really weak, it cannot be surrounded easily, but it could be pushed around for profit later if I don't make some shape now.
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Re: #194 Skydyr versus DeFlow

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So things have settled down a bit locally. It's time to start thinking either about attack or about tenuki.

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Here is a sente sequence against the corner, but it makes it live outright and it may be a bit early to play it.

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$$ | . . . , O . . . . , . . 2 3 X O X . . |
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I'm inclined to attack the centre group like this and get it running while stabilising my right side group as a result. I am fairly certain I can end in sente, but not absolutely.

I keep thinking of how I would take the top left corner, but I'm not really sure what I'd like to do there. A 4-4 stone seems so very gote. Playing something with a direction to it seems to either invite a left side wedge or an approach from the top right. A 3-3 seems too low for a board that will likely involve a lot of fighting based on the bottom right.

Hmm...
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:w1: is sente because otherwise black is left with a nice dead L group. The problem is that :w7: is gote, and black could do quite a lot with two extra moves. The corner is only 20 points or so, so it may be worth sacrificing for black. I think at this point it's better to attack the centre group, and save that reduction for the late middle game/early endgame unless I need it to live.

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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If black blocks on the other side, this too looks promising.
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Mmm... It looks like Skydyr's plan is to gain more influence over the lower side while strengthening my group. I don't really see this attachment as threatening, my shape is solid. As we all know, attachments most of the time strengthen the involved groups, so I expect to gain thickness in this sequence while my opponent gains the influence over the lower side.

As his group on the right is still baseless, maybe a severe attack on it would be warranted next. On the other hand... It's taking quite a while for us to play in the last open corner. I see some variations ending in sente with this attachment, so maybe that's what he is after?

If he takes the open corner, I can extend from my upper right hoshi stone to threaten his eyeless group, maybe we can even treat these two as miai?
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