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Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

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And another misread. Why would he capture here?

I'm just getting very fed up and frustrated with this game, my play over the last 20 moves has been terrible, and with everything going on in my life right now, I'm so tempted to just resign.

Losing is fine, but boy, I really really hate playing like such a muppet. :mad:
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Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

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topazg wrote:[hide]My current plan:

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[go]$$Wcm179 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X O X O 2 X O X X . O O X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X O X X . O . X O X O X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O X O . O . . X X X X X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O 1 X 3 . . . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . O O O O . . O O B O . . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . B B B . O . O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , O O . . O X . O . |
$$ | . . . . O . O X . O . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X X X X . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . X O X . O . . . O . X . X |
$$ | . . X O . O X O O . . . X . . . X . X |
$$ | . . X . . . X O X . O O O O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X X X X X X X X O . O X |
$$ | . . O X O . O O O . . . . X O X O O 4 |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . X O O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Everything depends on the big point at :b82: as far as I can see, so I'm desperately hoping he can't cut the marked Black stones off. If he can, I simply resign, but I can't read anything that does it.
What about this?
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X O X O X X O X X . O O X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X O X X . O . X O X O X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O X O . O . . X X X X X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O . O . . 1 . . . O X O . |
$$ | . O O O O . . O O B O . . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . B B B . O . O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , O O . . O X . O . |
$$ | . . . . O . O X . O . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X X X X . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . X O X . O . . . O . X . X |
$$ | . . X O . O X O O . . . X . . . X . X |
$$ | . . X . . . X O X . O O O O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X X X X X X X X O . O X |
$$ | . . O X O . O O O . . . . X O X O O 4 |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . X O O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Perhaps it is premature to think this game is over, but, man, what an epic throw by topazg!
Ontological imperative holds that my losses occurred only in imagination.
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Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

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@topazg
Hang in there, man! Where's that stiff upper lip Brits are supposed to have?
Ontological imperative holds that my losses occurred only in imagination.
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Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

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@TheIntrepid

I think someone punched mine ;)

Seriously, what was I thinking with :b78:, that loss of sente has put me behind and I can't see how to catch up. I'm torn about waiting for magicwand to get T3 first, but if he does, there's nothing I can do.
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Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm181 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X O X O X X O X X . O O X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X O X X . O . X O X O X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O X O . O . . X X X X X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O O X . 1 . . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . O O O O . . O O X O . . . O O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X . O . O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , O O . . O X . O . |
$$ | . . . . O . O X . O . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X X X X . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . X O X . O . . . O . X . X |
$$ | . . X O . O X O O . . . X . . . X . X |
$$ | . . X . . . X O X . O O O O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X X X X X X X X O . O X |
$$ | . . O X O . O O O . . . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . X O O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

he either kill his middle group and take sente or save them and lose sente.
either way i win.
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Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

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I resign. I'm fed up of ruining this game. Many thanks as always for a lot of fun magicwand :)
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Thank You, I enjoyed it.
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Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

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i think move 12 is a start of his downfall.
It is big..but my fist instinct was "that is my right! Him stealing my sente is big but i dont think it is good for him"
i might be wrong but it was my first instinct.
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[go]$$Wcm111 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . . . . X . O O X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O X X . , . X O X O X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . X X X X X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . X . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . O O O O . . 1 O . O . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O X . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X . X . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . . X O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . O O . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O . . . . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . X O O X X 2 . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

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5 was hard decision to make but after some thought..it is too big not to play.

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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . 2 . O O X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . 4 O X O X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . X X X X X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . 1 O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X . X . . . . . O . . 3 . |
$$ | . . X O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O . . O O . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O . . . . . X O X O 5 . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . X O O X X . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

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first fighting resulted in moves i never seen.
what do i think about the result??
on a even game i think black is better but.. handycapped game is a different story.
you playing everything joseky will surely lessen the chance of you winning.
what you will need to do is create variation and potentals that is hard to predict.
i was perfectly satisfied with the wall that i built.
i noticed that going after the points on handycap game is harder than using influence.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm11 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 1 2 . . 8 . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 X O X 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 3 O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

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2-3-4-5 trade... is not good.
it appears to give him security of the corner...but does it???
it help make my moyo grow..and didnt do anything for his corner.

i suggest ppl dont play that move if you want to improve..
there is reason why that shape never appears on professionals' game.
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[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



compare above variation and my choice of 2.
can you see that below is better than above???
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

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marcus: thank you for enjoying my game..and guessing my next move.. :)
i played that move because it is simply better move than other approach on below postion.
main focus of my this game is his points vs my influence.
he ignored my influence and went after points sofar.
my thickness is growing rapidly and few more moves...it will be so scary that he will need to think about invasion. which is usually not a good idea..
his worry about my influence caused him to jump into my area of operation which is still wrong answer IMO
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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O O . . W O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X B X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i think this is correct move...for black
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . 2 . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O O . . W O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X B X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

Post by Magicwand »

Bill Spight wrote:My guess:

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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . 4 . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O O . . W O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X B X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Edit: Unhidden. :)


i thought about above....but didnt like it due to two space weakness on the wall..
that is why decided to make it stronger by peep exchange.
influence game is not simple as build influence...influence has to be weakness free in order to cash the check.
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The greater the unknown"
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Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

Post by Magicwand »

questionable move..
i can sense that he is afraid of my moyo.
that fear forced him to overplay.
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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . O O . . 8 . . . . . . . 7 . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O O . . W O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X B X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

My influence already reached critical point IMO.
He had to play such move in order to have a chance of winning.
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The greater the unknown"
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Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

Post by gasana »

Thx for playing this game, and thx Magicwand for the analysis!

Always a lot of fun with MW's games :bow:
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