speedchase wrote:badukJr wrote:So, which is it? Does he command you like pawns or not? One of you is lying. Why would you lie about such a thing? This is why there needs to be transparency - information is not given straight laced even when no user is involved.
I disagree. Both posts contain the exact same information, just spun oppositely. They both agree that Jordus doesn't hold influence over day to day events, but should the situation require it he holds the ultimate authority. Jordus is downplaying his authority, but he does say that he breaks ties between admins should the situation require it. Joaz may be slightly exaggerating Jordus's authority, but he does say that Jordus abstains from daily influence. These seem like the same facts too me.
Why are the mods spinning things at all? Just say what the actual rule is: Jordus breaks deadlocks when mods disagree with each other. We are just go players, no need for political subterfuge or spin. Having this cloak and dagger environment where people are taken away in the night creates an unsettled community.
Mef wrote:badukJr wrote:First of all, removing the ability of someone to post on an internet bulletin board and the act of severing a head from a human body and placing it on top of a wooden post in the ground are not really comparable.
This misses the reference. In this case "head on a pike" isn't referring to the actual severing of the head, it refers to the fact that,
in addition to your punishment (being killed), your face is put on display for all to see and know of the fact that you were punished (the head of your dead body is placed atop a pike). People have bad days, people post drunk, people have younger siblings who like to cause trouble when they see you are still logged in to a forum, hell, sometimes people just make mistakes. When we have a culture that is quick to vilify, slow to exonerate, and sometimes downright opposed to admitting their initial impressions of a person may have been wrong, having a police blotter of sorts that keeps all your biggest sins in one public place may not be the best solution. Also there's always the potential of forum trolls using it like a scoreboard.
Just my 2 cents.
I don't want people connected to their bannings so I can point and laugh, or judge them. Its more of wanting the rules to be set by example and having accountability for the mods. Yes, now people can not be shamed, but also mods can ban people for anything and nobody would know about it. More active members would probably complain elsewhere, but what about someone who just discovered this place and isn't really involved in the internet community as a whole? Did they just lose interest and stop posting, or maybe they got banned? It is impossible to know.
Alternatively, no record of moderation can make it look like the mods are doing absolutely nothing and letting the place free run. This can frustrate members who feel like the place is out of control. I believe several people have stopped posting here just because of that perception.
I really really really don't think the average poster here is interested in vilifying other people based on their moderation-interaction record, they just want a sane place to talk about go. It feels like every time someone disagrees with another's opinion, one party starts screaming about personal attacks trying to invoke the TOS to somehow win the argument. This stuff happens because nobody knows how the rules are enforced.
As an aside, when people are faced with a lack of information they assume the worst. A teenage boy calls a girl and leaves a voicemail, if she doesn't call back within an hour he thinks she hates him. A son driving to his mother's house is a half an hour late, mom thinks that he got into a car accident somewhere on the way. A weak go player has little confidence and knowledge, thinking his move is terrible when it may be fine.
It is hard for members and mods to see eye to eye on this issue, because the mods have all the information. They don't understand what its like to post here without access to the mod forum.
