44. Violence (?d) vs. Magicwand (3d)

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That's fine.

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[go]$$Bc Move 14 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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His group doesn't look very imposing, actually. I think I have a good chance in this area.
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[go]$$Bc Move 17 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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[go]$$Bc Move 18 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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I think I have to hane here. I will get stronger in the center and turn to attack black's weak group.
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[go]$$Bc Move 18 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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[go]$$Wc Move 20 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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I think his magari is too big, so I want to hu here. Er... too... many... languages...

I think his L7 is too big, so I want to J8 here even if it leaves a peep. this way, I can either turn to attack the group, or play a big move in the center.
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[go]$$Wc Move 21 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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well ... he is known for violence so i give him complicated board...
sofar neither of us have any clear advantage.. when the dust is settled i will try to evaluate the situation.
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[go]$$Wc Move 22 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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I'm pretty sure this move is gote. my group is very solid. Now's my chance. Without the turn, the three black stones feel weak. I'm going to play here to see what kind of things I can do.
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[go]$$Wc Move 23 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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[go]$$Wc Move 23 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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[go]$$Wc Move 24 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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Stabilize in the corner. If he makes the outside big, I will make it small again.
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[go]$$Wc Move 25 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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only way to answer...
also...his initial move traded with mine was bad bad bad for white.
it was better to jump in 3-3 without the trade. edit(i am not saying 3-3 is a good move)
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[go]$$Wc Move 25 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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[go]$$Wc Move 23 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0
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I didn't see the cap. That was pretty good. However, I can still treat that stone as a probe. There's a lot of aji in the area and I can exploit it if I get an opportunity. Either that, or I take a larger corner.
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Re: 44. Violence vs Magicwand

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Magicwand wrote:
only way to answer...
also...his initial move traded with mine was bad bad bad for white.
it was better to jump in 3-3 without the trade. edit(i am not saying 3-3 is a good move)


Here I think Magicwand overstates his point by at least 2 "bads". If white had a stone in the top right and black had a stone on the third line of the k line, then the 3-3 move first would be better. By approaching first, Eric insinuated the block on the left instead of the top option - so he can move up the the board on the right, and can still reduce from his g3 stone.

I am not convinced Eric's move was bad at all, but at most it was only a 1 bad move not a 3 bad move.
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Re: 44. Violence vs Magicwand

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i was going to sleep on it but...i did little powernap and it was mighty good.


i considered 3 different moves. b was my initial choice..but didnt look right. i can not tell you why..but there was a bad feeling about that.
c was my next choice...but i looked at "a" and it produce even better result. c was a good example of overconcentration.
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Re: 44. Violence vs Magicwand

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