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[go]$$Bm47
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O 3 . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . 4 . X . . . |
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If I get my trigger, Ed REALLY should play at 51 below next IMO. It's quite likely that I would ignore whatever else to get that :twisted: . I leaved A below unplayed at 50, because I think Ed might have responded at or around B, which I did not want.

If play proceeds as below, see the diagram after that.
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[go]$$Bm47
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O 3 a . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . b . . 1 . . . |
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$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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I have to decide whether 52 below is sente for 53. Currently I think it is. If so, after that A seems really nice still. If I get this diagram, I feel really good about the game.
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[go]$$Bm51
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$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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oh, forgot some things from last post:

It may be unnecesary to explain to most, but might help some beginners to evaluate what happened: If you consider my marked white move and black's subsequent moves, what happened was that black ignored my top right approach and created a weak group in gote, which enabled me to play the next move (46) on top right too. This made me happy :D
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[go]$$Wm46
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$$ | . . . . . ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? . 3 1 4 . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . 2 . ? ? |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . 5 . X ? ? ? |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . ? ? |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X ? ? |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . W 6 ? ? |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 ? ? |
$$ | ? ? . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . 7 . . . |
$$ | ? ? O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | ? ? ? . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . ? ? |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X ? ? |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O B . . . . , . ? ? |
$$ | . X X O O X ? ? ? O . . O . . X ? ? ? |
$$ | . X O . . ? ? ? ? ? . . . . . . ? ? ? |
$$ | . . . . . ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? . . . ? ? ? |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


And a try at counting above diagram, just to train myself at it:
      W top: 18
      W left: 7
      W bottom: 18
      B left side corners 15+
      B top right 13
      B bottom right 15+

W = 43 + 6,5 = ~50
B = 43++

I seem to be somewhere between even and ahead by komi, and my potential (at center) seem far better to B.

Any comments on this evaluation would be greatly ppreciated, btw. I have very little experience counting mid-game.
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Re: #193 TIM82 vs EdLee

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It looks like the problems with the server have been fixed for the moment.
TIM82 wrote:
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[go]$$Wm46
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$$ | . . . . . ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? . 3 1 4 . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . 2 . ? ? |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . 5 . X ? ? ? |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . ? ? |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X ? ? |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . W 6 ? ? |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 ? ? |
$$ | ? ? . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . 7 . . . |
$$ | ? ? O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . ? ? |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X ? ? |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O B . . . . , . ? ? |
$$ | . X X O O X ? ? ? O . . O . . X ? ? ? |
$$ | . X O . . ? ? ? ? ? . . . . . . ? ? ? |
$$ | . . . . . ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? . . . ? ? ? |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
I don't think Black should play at :b53: but, perhaps, at :w54: instead.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O 3 . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . 4 . X . . . |
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$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bm47
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O 3 . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . 4 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O 5 . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


Decided that responding on right side is not sure enough sente for me - seems problematic if B then just plays one above 52 or so. My chosen move should cause a flow that enables me to enter right side anyway.
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First impression of :w52: : not so bad for B. Time to sleep. Will post more.
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Hi Tim, life happens, and no internet access until this Sunday Jan 13 -- will try to post soon, sorry. :)
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EdLee wrote:Hi Tim, life happens, and no internet access until this Sunday Jan 13 -- will try to post soon, sorry. :)


Yes, that seems to be a major feture of life :) No problem, take your time.
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Hi Ed, where art thou ;-)
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Tim, I'm here. Soon. :)
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No problem. Just enjoying the game too much to be patient :lol:
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Tim, thanks; I'm slowly working my way back into the 3 malkovich games. Thanks for the patience. :)
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[go]$$Bm53
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . O . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . X X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . O X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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